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Old 06-25-2018, 02:28 PM
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I'm getting way ahead of myself, but I'll ask now anyway. When the time comes to put the '64 on the road, I'd like the short-throw setup on the shifter. Can the original levers be drilled to create that result, or it it better (or necessary) to buy newer levers? Is there a template or diagram of where to drill?

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I would imagine those shift levers are very hard steel.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I would imagine those shift levers are very hard steel.
Had not thought of that, but it makes sense.
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Zip has them for 12.99 ea, I'm sure others do too.

https://www.zip-corvette.com/64-68-4...r-1st-2nd.html

https://www.zip-corvette.com/64-68-4...r-3rd-4th.html
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I guess for that price how can I say no? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Railroadman
I'm getting way ahead of myself, but I'll ask now anyway. When the time comes to put the '64 on the road, I'd like the short-throw setup on the shifter. Can the original levers be drilled to create that result, or it it better (or necessary) to buy newer levers? Is there a template or diagram of where to drill?
I think the original levers have two sets of holes for two different throws.
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Originally Posted by garth64
I think the original levers have two sets of holes for two different throws.

That is correct.
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Not in late 63 or 64
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Not in late 63 or 64


Later years had the extra holes. Earlier C-2's did not.

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Originally Posted by MikeM
I would imagine those shift levers are very hard steel.
Those levers are the hardest steel I've ever worked with - if you plan on drilling them, hope you have LOTS of cobalt/titanium drill bits. Hint: The drill bits will cost at least twice the price of buying the levers ready-made.
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Those levers are the hardest steel I've ever worked with - if you plan on drilling them, hope you have LOTS of cobalt/titanium drill bits. Hint: The drill bits will cost at least twice the price of buying the levers ready-made.
Nope - aftermarket for me, for sure!
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So is it just change the brackets and reconnect the adjustment rods to the lower holes. Or is there a science in adjusting the rods to make it shift correctly?

Also how much is the throw reduced?
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Originally Posted by SoCalErv
So is it just change the brackets and reconnect the adjustment rods to the lower holes. Or is there a science in adjusting the rods to make it shift correctly?

Also how much is the throw reduced?
If they aren't adjusted correctly,they will get caught in 2 gears at once. Like reverse and second, not good.
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Originally Posted by SoCalErv
So is it just change the brackets and reconnect the adjustment rods to the lower holes. Or is there a science in adjusting the rods to make it shift correctly?

Also how much is the throw reduced?
Put it in neutral, remove the rods and levers, put the new levers on, adjust the rods to fit the other holes without moving the levers. It should be right. If not, you can always put the adjustment tool into the slots and touch it up. It should be right when you hook it back up as long as the levers stay in the neutral position.
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Judging by the drawing on the Zip site, I would guess the length of the throw is reduced by nearly 50%.
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Don,
When I had my 63', I changed the stock shifter with a Hurst Competition Plus shifter. The throws were sharp and crisp and precise. It was a great addition to the sloppy, rattling shifter, that, I had.
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Originally Posted by Rusler John
Don,
When I had my 63', I changed the stock shifter with a Hurst Competition Plus shifter. The throws were sharp and crisp and precise. It was a great addition to the sloppy, rattling shifter, that, I had.
What would have been the result if you had replaced your worn out, sloppy, rattling shifter with a brand new original? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by JohnZ
Those levers are the hardest steel I've ever worked with - if you plan on drilling them, hope you have LOTS of cobalt/titanium drill bits. Hint: The drill bits will cost at least twice the price of buying the levers ready-made.
Soild carbide, straight flute drill will handle anything, you only need one drill bit per hole size, BUT you need to make sure whatever you are drilling is held very securely, as the carbide drills are brittle,and will break if you let your work piece jump around, at least in smaller size drill bits.

I used carbide drills and carbide taps to reassemble a demilled Browning 1919 BMG using button head socket cap screws, rather than use rivets like original. The side plate on the BMG are EXTREMELY hard steel and laugh at cobalt drill bits. Yes, i have the proper license to build machine guns.

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Originally Posted by MikeM
What would have been the result if you had replaced your worn out, sloppy, rattling shifter with a brand new original? Just curious.
At the time ,1970, I thought that the Hurst shifter was the way to go. I had owned two other Vettes previously and both of them had sketchy shifters also. Too sloppy and rebuild kits were unknown to me back then.
And, as is today with newer cars, people seem to think that after market or speed stuff is better than stock equipment.
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I recall back when I had my '67 I changed it to the short throw. Can't say just how much it changed the movement but I recall liking the feeling. John used the word "crisp" for his Hurst, and that's how I remember the stock shifter when I did this. Of course at the time it was a 2-year old car.so you would HOPE things were still tight.

As for the rattly '63 John, IIRC the '63's had the shifter mounted on the tranny, but later years were mounted to the frame and were less prove to vibration. Someone please correct me if I have that wrong.


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