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Old 07-04-2018, 08:36 PM
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I'm a fairly new owner of a '66 small block convertible. What is the better choice of fuel?

90 octane with NO ethanol or 93 octane with ethanol?

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what ever is more convenient for you. both will allow you to enjoy your car
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I'd use the 90. Plenty of octane and no ethanol issues.

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If it doesn't detonate on the 90 PON straight gasoline, use that. If it does detonate, then you'll need the 93, Bottom line is you need to test.

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What C.T and Duke said. If your car will tolerate 90 octane straight gas, and is should, you'll get more power and better fuel economy. Alcohol likes to absorb water and has half the energy of gasoline.
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No ethanol ever if I can help it.
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last I looked there was non-ethanol 91 octane in Western NY
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if Panther pizz would burn, i'd use it.....

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if Panther pizz would burn, i'd use it.....

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????? I wouldn't, but then again, I tend to care for my engines. Stuck valves, broken pistons, and pounded out bearings aren't my cup of tea. To each his own, though........
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????? I wouldn't, but then again, I tend to care for my engines. Stuck valves, broken pistons, and pounded out bearings aren't my cup of tea. To each his own, though........
I guess you're saying that I don't take care of my stuff.... i guess that's all about how you define 'care'


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Bill, it sounds like you use the lowest grade fuel that you can get that the engine will run on.. Kind of like the old-time farmers who started their tractors and model T's on gasoline and then switched over to kerosene when the engine got warm. Great for a 4:1 CR engine, not such a good idea for a performance V8. Yeah, your Corvette WILL run on 'panther ****', but not well, and not for long.
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Originally Posted by GTOguy
Bill, it sounds like you use the lowest grade fuel that you can get that the engine will run on.. Kind of like the old-time farmers who started their tractors and model T's on gasoline and then switched over to kerosene when the engine got warm. Great for a 4:1 CR engine, not such a good idea for a performance V8. Yeah, your Corvette WILL run on 'panther ****', but not well, and not for long.
Depends on your definition of panther ****. Ethanol has a nasty habit of absorbing water from the atmosphere and corroding things that sit all winter. Not the mention the elastomer issues in cars older than 1986.

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Originally Posted by GTOguy
Bill, it sounds like you use the lowest grade fuel that you can get that the engine will run on.. Kind of like the old-time farmers who started their tractors and model T's on gasoline and then switched over to kerosene when the engine got warm. Great for a 4:1 CR engine, not such a good idea for a performance V8. Yeah, your Corvette WILL run on 'panther ****', but not well, and not for long.
yep, I use 87 in my EFI ZZ4; have for years. no knocks, so the ECM and all the sensors seem to be happy.

I have become a believer in synthetic motor oil tho…

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I would speculate that almost any gasoline you get out of a pump today is a far better quality gasoline for your engine than any pump gas you could buy 50 years ago. And that includes E 10. All things considered.



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Originally Posted by MikeM
I would speculate that almost any gasoline you get out of a pump today is a far better quality gasoline for your engine than any pump gas you could buy 50 years ago. And that includes E 10. All things considered.
maybe, maybe not... some folks believe in the additives that some brands supposedly include; but apparently the minimum formulations are sufficient also.

I installed the ZZ4 in December 2010 and have put 19790 miles on it since then, always with 87 octane, mostly E10. drove it 10K+ miles out west and up to elevations over 11K foot with no apparent problems. so, i'm happy...

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Originally Posted by MikeM
I would speculate that almost any gasoline you get out of a pump today is a far better quality gasoline for your engine than any pump gas you could buy 50 years ago. And that includes E 10. All things considered.
Not me. More than once, when checking out a barn find with friends, we've been able to start a car that's been sitting for 40 or 50 years with the gas that was in its tank; but one that's been sitting with a tank full of E-10, no way. The E-10 has absorbed water and if you're lucky all you have to do is drop the tank and swap out the fuel pump. If it's a metal tank, you usually have to boil out the rust if not replace the entire tank. And if it's a carbureted engine, you usually have to rebuild the carb as well.

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Not me. More than once, when checking out a barn find with friends, we've been able to start a car that's been sitting for 40 or 50 years with the gas that was in its tank; but one that's been sitting with a tank full of E-10, no way. The E-10 has absorbed water and if you're lucky all you have to do is drop the tank and swap out the fuel pump. If it's a metal tank, you usually have to boil out the rust if not replace the entire tank. And if it's a carbureted engine, you usually have to rebuild the carb as well.
my 62 with FI was in storage in my garage for 17 years and started with 17yo leaded gas with stabilizer in it. it was never started at any time within that time period. luck, maybe/probably...

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Originally Posted by wmf62
I guess you're saying that I don't take care of my stuff....


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Most of us know that's absolutely not the case.
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Originally Posted by wmf62
maybe, maybe not... some folks believe in the additives that some brands supposedly include; but apparently the minimum formulations are sufficient also.

Bill
Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
Not me. More than once, when checking out a barn find with friends, we've been able to start a car that's been sitting for 40 or 50 years with the gas that was in its tank;
Originally Posted by wmf62
my 62 with FI was in storage in my garage for 17 years and started with 17yo leaded gas with stabilizer in it. it was never started at any time within that time period. luck, maybe/probably...

Bill
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I would speculate that almost any gasoline you get out of a pump today is a far better quality gasoline for your engine than any pump gas All things considered.
I'm not sure if you're following what I posted.

Far better quality for your engine.............All things considered.

Starting a car up on 15-50 year old gas is not only a bad idea, it's not an indicator of the type quality I was talking about.

One little tidbit I'll throw out is, you don't see engine bearings eaten up by sulphur in the crankcase, unlike what you used to see when you tore down an engine. Where do you suppose that sulphur came from?

You don't see large carbon deposits anymore like you used to see either.

I'd say more but I'm no chemist and I'd quickly get in over my head.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I'm not sure if you're following what I posted.

Far better quality for your engine.............All things considered.

Starting a car up on 15-50 year old gas is not only a bad idea, it's not an indicator of the type quality I was talking about.

One little tidbit I'll throw out is, you don't see engine bearings eaten up by sulphur in the crankcase, unlike what you used to see when you tore down an engine. Where do you suppose that sulphur came from?

You don't see large carbon deposits anymore like you used to see either.

I'd say more but I'm no chemist and I'd quickly get in over my head.
Mike
, on all counts....
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