[C2] Confused on Krylon and/or SEM paint
08-21-2018, 02:40 PM
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Confused on Krylon and/or SEM paint
OK, painting the black interior trim on the 64 vert. Windshield base trim and radio speaker, etc. is a lower gloss finish, correct? Hardtop trim is gloss black.
So I'm looking at Krylon Industrial Acrylic and 1601A07 is gloss black and 1613A07 is what most on here are recommending for trim work, but no definition of gloss level.
SEM Acrylic has 39063 as gloss black, 39033 as charcoal black, 39143 as trim, but all are called Trim Paint, so which one(s) are you using and where. On the SEM, I only find recommendations to use SEM Trim, which doesn't really seem to define which. Both seems to not recommend a primer be used. What's your experience?
From JohnZ's information, GM used exterior lacquer, same as the car finish, so I'm confused about the lower gloss recommendations. I understand the original trim was sprayed and not buffed, so not 100% gloss, but that's not semi-gloss either..
So I'm looking at Krylon Industrial Acrylic and 1601A07 is gloss black and 1613A07 is what most on here are recommending for trim work, but no definition of gloss level.
SEM Acrylic has 39063 as gloss black, 39033 as charcoal black, 39143 as trim, but all are called Trim Paint, so which one(s) are you using and where. On the SEM, I only find recommendations to use SEM Trim, which doesn't really seem to define which. Both seems to not recommend a primer be used. What's your experience?
From JohnZ's information, GM used exterior lacquer, same as the car finish, so I'm confused about the lower gloss recommendations. I understand the original trim was sprayed and not buffed, so not 100% gloss, but that's not semi-gloss either..
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08-21-2018, 02:44 PM
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OK, painting the black interior trim on the 64 vert. Windshield base trim and radio speaker, etc. is a lower gloss finish, correct? Hardtop trim is gloss black.
So I'm looking at Krylon Industrial Acrylic and 1601A07 is gloss black and 1613A07 is what most on here are recommending for trim work, but no definition of gloss level.
SEM Acrylic has 39063 as gloss black, 39033 as charcoal black, 39143 as trim, but all are called Trim Paint, so which one(s) are you using and where. On the SEM, I only find recommendations to use SEM Trim, which doesn't really seem to define which. Both seems to not recommend a primer be used. What's your experience?
From JohnZ's information, GM used exterior lacquer, same as the car finish, so I'm confused about the lower gloss recommendations. I understand the original trim was sprayed and not buffed, so not 100% gloss, but that's not semi-gloss either..
So I'm looking at Krylon Industrial Acrylic and 1601A07 is gloss black and 1613A07 is what most on here are recommending for trim work, but no definition of gloss level.
SEM Acrylic has 39063 as gloss black, 39033 as charcoal black, 39143 as trim, but all are called Trim Paint, so which one(s) are you using and where. On the SEM, I only find recommendations to use SEM Trim, which doesn't really seem to define which. Both seems to not recommend a primer be used. What's your experience?
From JohnZ's information, GM used exterior lacquer, same as the car finish, so I'm confused about the lower gloss recommendations. I understand the original trim was sprayed and not buffed, so not 100% gloss, but that's not semi-gloss either..
Don
08-21-2018, 02:59 PM
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Drifting
Just curious, is the SEM Trim Black a lacquer based paint? Based on the fast drying time I suspect yes????
08-21-2018, 03:54 PM
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Race Director
OK, painting the black interior trim on the 64 vert. Windshield base trim and radio speaker, etc. is a lower gloss finish, correct? Hardtop trim is gloss black.
So I'm looking at Krylon Industrial Acrylic and 1601A07 is gloss black and 1613A07 is what most on here are recommending for trim work, but no definition of gloss level.
SEM Acrylic has 39063 as gloss black, 39033 as charcoal black, 39143 as trim, but all are called Trim Paint, so which one(s) are you using and where. On the SEM, I only find recommendations to use SEM Trim, which doesn't really seem to define which. Both seems to not recommend a primer be used. What's your experience?
From JohnZ's information, GM used exterior lacquer, same as the car finish, so I'm confused about the lower gloss recommendations. I understand the original trim was sprayed and not buffed, so not 100% gloss, but that's not semi-gloss either..
So I'm looking at Krylon Industrial Acrylic and 1601A07 is gloss black and 1613A07 is what most on here are recommending for trim work, but no definition of gloss level.
SEM Acrylic has 39063 as gloss black, 39033 as charcoal black, 39143 as trim, but all are called Trim Paint, so which one(s) are you using and where. On the SEM, I only find recommendations to use SEM Trim, which doesn't really seem to define which. Both seems to not recommend a primer be used. What's your experience?
From JohnZ's information, GM used exterior lacquer, same as the car finish, so I'm confused about the lower gloss recommendations. I understand the original trim was sprayed and not buffed, so not 100% gloss, but that's not semi-gloss either..
As to what rattle can paint is best for each, well, that I will leave for others. The GM Paint Charts provide PPG and Dupont paint codes for each color and for each gloss level. They assumed a paint jobber would mix them up in bulk for spraying.
Larry
EDIT: Here is one (of many) gloss level charts like the one I mentioned. This just from a quick Google search by me. http://mpi.arcomone.com/DT201arcom/M.../standards.asp
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08-21-2018, 06:05 PM
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The SEM trim black is the exact shade and luster of the original finish. Have used it on my '65 GTO in the past. Original trim was not primed....just painted with similar paint over the bright metal. Great stuff.
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08-21-2018, 07:38 PM
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Both the Krylon and SEM spray paints are very close in sheen. Between both one appears to have slightly more sheen. I forget which one it was. As part of a dash refresh SEM trim black was used for the gauge cluster and glove box door on my'64. The finished result was very nice. As mentioned I'd also go with SEM trim black.
John
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08-22-2018, 05:53 AM
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Upper trim around windshield was unbuffed lacquer so something along line of semi-gloss. The trim at the base of the windshield was flattened lacquer to prevent reflections in the glass. Dash panel and radio speaker would have been on the low gloss side and probably flattened lacquer.
08-22-2018, 08:16 AM
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Great information. Anyone have a suggestion for a C-1 interior trim (package tray, center console and heater cover) which is all fiberglass in gloss black lacquer now?
BH
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08-22-2018, 08:41 AM
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FWIW - I restored my 66 coupe in the early 90s, before I knew some of what I know now and I took standard black lacquer and added a flattening agent to give it a low luster appearance but not flat and sprayed all of my interior window trim with it. Although most of it is flatter in gloss than is technically correct, it gave it what I consider, a nice rich, lustrous but not glossy finished appearance. I just don't think gloss black looks good on interior trim - too plastic like. Next to flattened lacquer out of a gun I think Krylon Industrial Semi-flat is the closest thing to it. Krylon Industrial 1613 gloss can be manipulated a little. Light, sparse coats gives a nice low luster finish. Several medium coats with minimal time in between increases the gloss level to almost a semi-gloss.
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08-22-2018, 05:09 PM
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Drifting
SEM is he way to go...krylon can look pretty good but it is recoat sensitive....if you ever have to get back into it, you will NOT be happy.
08-22-2018, 05:53 PM
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Safety Car
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I've ordered the SEM #39143 which is called Trim Paint with no gloss definition. We'll see. I've sprayed real lacquer back in the day, so I think I know what unbuffed lacquer looks like.
10-01-2018, 09:39 PM
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Burning Brakes
Thanks,
Dex.
10-01-2018, 10:12 PM
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10-02-2018, 09:35 AM
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Both the Krylon and SEM spray paints are very close in sheen. Between both one appears to have slightly more sheen. I forget which one it was. As part of a dash refresh SEM trim black was used for the gauge cluster and glove box door on my'64. The finished result was very nice. As mentioned I'd also go with SEM trim black.
John
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10-02-2018, 01:48 PM
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What does "A07" refer to? As far as I know Krylon 51613 is the latest (enamel?), version commonly available in the "big box" stores. Krylon 1613 "industrial" is only sourced through non-consumer outlets.
10-02-2018, 03:14 PM
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The A07 is the current formulation of the industrial 1613 acrylic lacquer P/N K01613A07 75577 00063. The line is now called Acryli-quik and it can be bought on line. I asked Krylon about this and they say they try to maintain the gloss level as permitted by the ever changing rules and the A07 variant is the current product. This new stuff has more gloss.
10-02-2018, 06:16 PM
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Race Director
The lacquer Krylon 1613 Industrial is not re-coat sensitive at all. I use recoat times to fine tune the amount of gloss I want from it. Light coats with a couple hours drying in between result in a very low gloss surface. Heavier coats applied one immediately after the other with just 5 or 10 minutes drying time come out much glossier. It's probably the later enamel 1613 in stores that may be re-coat sensitive.