electrical issue
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electrical issue
last year i had my alternator rebuilt , told the guy to boost up the amps in case i ever wanted to add a/c , he did. this year i looked down and my ammeter was pegged to 40 + , replaced external (solid state regulator ) with old points style , all good pushing out 12 volts .the other day cruisin down the road i get a quick miss ,a while later multiple quick misses, get to the cruise in and stay for a couple hours leave and no issues . Yesterday take the wife out to dinner we go to leave and dead as a doornail ! open the hood move the firewall connectors around and i tighten the battery shut off wheel bingo starts right up ! I get home and wiggle the battery shutoff and get a quick miss do it a couple more times same thing , so i figured the battery disconnect is junk . I disconnect it today and run the cable directly to the battery and no problems starts right up , put my meter on the batt and only getting 11.4 volts , go to alt and same thing 11.4 , did my alternator fail do i need a new one ? if i replace it should i go to just a 2 wire internally regulated ? whats the wiring procedure if i do ? Thanks in advance !
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You may have other issues but first thing is to get a knife blade disconnect -- those round **** things are crap....
You can test that round **** do-hickey by throwing it way out in a lake -- if it floats its good; if it sinks its bad...
You'll hear differently from folks but I've had 3 fail in different ways - one came apart, one corroded to pieces and another got to the point I didn't have enough hind end to tighten it sufficiently for a good connection....
And before anybody asks these weren't the cheap ones either...
BTW - your alternator should be "pushing out" 13.8V-14.2V; not 12V with the engine running....
You can measure that across the battery terminals with a multimeter and the engine running...
Make sure your V/R is grounded...
You can swap in a Wells VR-715 solid state alternator (available anywhere for about $28); its plug and play and if it fixes your problem you'll know it was the V/R....if not, it makes a cheap spare for an emergency...
You can test that round **** do-hickey by throwing it way out in a lake -- if it floats its good; if it sinks its bad...
You'll hear differently from folks but I've had 3 fail in different ways - one came apart, one corroded to pieces and another got to the point I didn't have enough hind end to tighten it sufficiently for a good connection....
And before anybody asks these weren't the cheap ones either...
BTW - your alternator should be "pushing out" 13.8V-14.2V; not 12V with the engine running....
You can measure that across the battery terminals with a multimeter and the engine running...
Make sure your V/R is grounded...
You can swap in a Wells VR-715 solid state alternator (available anywhere for about $28); its plug and play and if it fixes your problem you'll know it was the V/R....if not, it makes a cheap spare for an emergency...
Last edited by Frankie the Fink; 09-22-2018 at 01:56 PM.
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You may have other issues but first thing is to get a knife blade disconnect -- those round **** things are crap....
You can test that round **** do-hickey by throwing it way out in a lake -- if it floats its good; if it sinks its bad...
You'll hear differently from folks but I've had 3 fail in different ways - one came apart, one corroded to pieces and another got to the point I didn't have enough hind end to tighten it sufficiently for a good connection....
And before anybody asks these weren't the cheap ones either...
BTW - your alternator should be "pushing out" 13.8V-14.2V; not 12V with the engine running....
You can measure that across the battery terminals with a multimeter and the engine running...
Make sure your V/R is grounded...
You can swap in a Wells VR-715 solid state alternator (available anywhere for about $28); its plug and play and if it fixes your problem you'll know it was the V/R....if not, it makes a cheap spare for an emergency...
You can test that round **** do-hickey by throwing it way out in a lake -- if it floats its good; if it sinks its bad...
You'll hear differently from folks but I've had 3 fail in different ways - one came apart, one corroded to pieces and another got to the point I didn't have enough hind end to tighten it sufficiently for a good connection....
And before anybody asks these weren't the cheap ones either...
BTW - your alternator should be "pushing out" 13.8V-14.2V; not 12V with the engine running....
You can measure that across the battery terminals with a multimeter and the engine running...
Make sure your V/R is grounded...
You can swap in a Wells VR-715 solid state alternator (available anywhere for about $28); its plug and play and if it fixes your problem you'll know it was the V/R....if not, it makes a cheap spare for an emergency...
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Mechancal V/Rs are actually pretty robust and don't have sensitive circuitry - they are basically points and armatures. Its possible to crack it open and look for burned or stuck points or fried wiring... I put a VR-715 under the stock cap and have been running it for 3-1/2 years..
You can have the alternator "load tested" at a bunch of places BTW...for free...
You can have the alternator "load tested" at a bunch of places BTW...for free...
Last edited by Frankie the Fink; 09-22-2018 at 02:35 PM.
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Mechancal V/Rs are actually pretty robust and don't have sensitive circuitry - they are basically points and armatures. Its possible to crack it open and look for burned or stuck points or fried wiring... I put a VR-715 under the stock cap and have been running it for 3-1/2 years..
You can have the alternator "load tested" at a bunch of places BTW...for free...
You can have the alternator "load tested" at a bunch of places BTW...for free...
#6
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Make SURE that gang connector on your V/R is on TIGHT - I pushed my 66 Mustang 200 yards home because that connector got knocked sideways...
It never hurts to take the leads off the horn relay and clean things up - that's a major distribution point for current to a lot of places.
You could have lost a diode in the alternator...
They will test your components in the car or removed if you carry it to them...
https://www.autozone.com/landing/pag...=in-our-stores
It never hurts to take the leads off the horn relay and clean things up - that's a major distribution point for current to a lot of places.
You could have lost a diode in the alternator...
They will test your components in the car or removed if you carry it to them...
https://www.autozone.com/landing/pag...=in-our-stores
Last edited by Frankie the Fink; 09-22-2018 at 02:47 PM.
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Make SURE that gang connector on your V/R is on TIGHT - I pushed my 66 Mustang 200 yards home because that connector got knocked sideways...
It never hurts to take the leads off the horn relay and clean things up - that's a major distribution point for current to a lot of places.
You could have lost a diode in the alternator...
They will test your components in the car or removed if you carry it to them...
https://www.autozone.com/landing/pag...=in-our-stores
It never hurts to take the leads off the horn relay and clean things up - that's a major distribution point for current to a lot of places.
You could have lost a diode in the alternator...
They will test your components in the car or removed if you carry it to them...
https://www.autozone.com/landing/pag...=in-our-stores
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You may have other issues but first thing is to get a knife blade disconnect -- those round **** things are crap....
You can test that round **** do-hickey by throwing it way out in a lake -- if it floats its good; if it sinks its bad...
You'll hear differently from folks but I've had 3 fail in different ways - one came apart, one corroded to pieces and another got to the point I didn't have enough hind end to tighten it sufficiently for a good connection....
And before anybody asks these weren't the cheap ones either...
BTW - your alternator should be "pushing out" 13.8V-14.2V; not 12V with the engine running....
You can measure that across the battery terminals with a multimeter and the engine running...
Make sure your V/R is grounded...
You can swap in a Wells VR-715 solid state alternator (available anywhere for about $28); its plug and play and if it fixes your problem you'll know it was the V/R....if not, it makes a cheap spare for an emergency...
You can test that round **** do-hickey by throwing it way out in a lake -- if it floats its good; if it sinks its bad...
You'll hear differently from folks but I've had 3 fail in different ways - one came apart, one corroded to pieces and another got to the point I didn't have enough hind end to tighten it sufficiently for a good connection....
And before anybody asks these weren't the cheap ones either...
BTW - your alternator should be "pushing out" 13.8V-14.2V; not 12V with the engine running....
You can measure that across the battery terminals with a multimeter and the engine running...
Make sure your V/R is grounded...
You can swap in a Wells VR-715 solid state alternator (available anywhere for about $28); its plug and play and if it fixes your problem you'll know it was the V/R....if not, it makes a cheap spare for an emergency...
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number3 (09-22-2018)
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When you upgrade the amp output of the alternator they put more windings in the same size case with the same fan. So, it is easier to have internal overheating issues. That will cause internal failures.
I would look at getting a different alternator. JMO
I would look at getting a different alternator. JMO
Last edited by woodsdesign; 09-23-2018 at 06:54 AM.
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number3 (09-22-2018)
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Sorry to hear of your alternator woes.
I had the exact same thing happen to me last year after my alternator was “upgraded” by a local shop to both a one wire set up and 95 Amps. It lasted exactly 4 months, likely due to heat as Woodsdesign stated. One night out with the missus I made it home on just the battery, which was impressive because my spal fan pulls 22A...
Had the alternator tested and it was kaput. I picked up another one and it tested at 70A and it’s been running great ever since. I think it was $65 at O’Reilly’s.
Good luck.
I had the exact same thing happen to me last year after my alternator was “upgraded” by a local shop to both a one wire set up and 95 Amps. It lasted exactly 4 months, likely due to heat as Woodsdesign stated. One night out with the missus I made it home on just the battery, which was impressive because my spal fan pulls 22A...
Had the alternator tested and it was kaput. I picked up another one and it tested at 70A and it’s been running great ever since. I think it was $65 at O’Reilly’s.
Good luck.
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number3 (09-23-2018)
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Just note the caution when doing this and it’s not a test of max load.
The alternator and V/R tests are In the shop manual. I was trying to make it easy on you by taking the car to an Autozone. Let us know what you find.
The alternator and V/R tests are In the shop manual. I was trying to make it easy on you by taking the car to an Autozone. Let us know what you find.
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thanks frankie , i just might try using one of my spare vr 715's and see if that straightens things out . i am planning on adding a/c and cooling fan this winter . what amperage alt (if i need one ) would you suggest ?
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Are you talking about aftermarket A/C and electric cooling fan(s) - the fans are big current draws ?
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I read somewhere that it needs a 20 amp fuse , so i'll call vintage tomorrow and see what they say. I also need to relocate the alt to drivers side , is there an extension harness out there to relocate it ? thanks again for your help frankie
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Lectric Limited sells the relocation harness for a STtOCK alternator. I used it on the 63 and it keeps the voltage regulator and horn relay in stock locations. Not at home but I believe the part number is VAK-6365. I’ll confirm later.
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number3 (09-23-2018)
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I just checked that number and thats exactly what i need ! many thanks frankie !!