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Old 09-24-2018, 07:36 PM
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This car is at Aston Martin in Boston and was sold to them by a guy who had the car restored but basically gave up before it was finished. The restorer passed away and his name is Robert Helzer. There were a few pics on his Facebook of the car when it was being reassembled that I found out of pure luck. Its supposedly a fresh restoration and the FI unit was rebuilt a couple of months ago. I drove a very nice car in Fort Worth yesterday that was kind of a survivor (original interior, never restored) but it had some paint issues on its 27 year old paint job -- albeit minor -- but would probably bother me. The price on this car is reasonable in my judgment. Let me know what you think about anything that obviously wrong before I fire up the Lear Jet. I think with the drain plug it is a Borg Warner tranny but I could not remember and since this is an early car it should have that. The trim tag looks authentic, the block stamp looks right. The interior looks mostly reproduction. Paint on the engine including the overspray looks pretty good.
























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Beautiful looking car! Hard to see anything too wrong from those pictures.

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Looks like repo vin tag?
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Originally Posted by eric lipper
This car is at Aston Martin in Boston and was sold to them by a guy who had the car restored but basically gave up before it was finished. The restorer passed away and his name is Robert Helzer. There were a few pics on his Facebook of the car when it was being reassembled that I found out of pure luck. Its supposedly a fresh restoration and the FI unit was rebuilt a couple of months ago. I drove a very nice car in Fort Worth yesterday that was kind of a survivor (original interior, never restored) but it had some paint issues on its 27 year old paint job -- albeit minor -- but would probably bother me. The price on this car is reasonable in my judgment. Let me know what you think about anything that obviously wrong before I fire up the Lear Jet. I think with the drain plug it is a Borg Warner tranny but I could not remember and since this is an early car it should have that. The trim tag looks authentic, the block stamp looks right. The interior looks mostly reproduction. Paint on the engine including the overspray looks pretty good.























MISSING TOP IGNITION SHIELD, WRONG MASTER CYLINDER, WRONG SEAT BELT WEBBING. BEGEE22
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MISSING TOP IGNITION SHIELD, WRONG MASTER CYLINDER, WRONG SEAT BELT WEBBING. BEGEE22
Thanks. I was surprised that it had the wrong master cylinder and they say that they have the top ignition shield -- it was off when then did the photos. The seat belt webbing is a good catch
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Looks like the PO did a goodjob of restoring a already nice car. Needs a steering dampner and shielding but the 63 only partsare all there. Good luck on the purchase.
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There is no steering dampener with the six quart oil pan.

This car looks very nice.
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Sorry without saying more I don't think that trim tag belongs with this vin or vice versa.
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Originally Posted by gold63
Sorry without saying more I don't think that trim tag belongs with this vin or vice versa.
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Why do you think that? No reason to keep it a secret. I am assuming because the Trim Tag is B5 but the car was assembled on October 24, 1962. Looked genuine to me and I thought the date and body number looked right

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Originally Posted by eric lipper
Why do you think that? No reason to keep it a secret. I am assuming because the Trim Tag is B5 but the car was assembled on October 24, 1962. Looked genuine to me and I thought the date and body number looked right
I'm not looking to keep it a secret but also don't want to come off as being '63 police or something like that.
I've recorded '63 #2,254 twice before including once with it's correct trim tag. Perhaps the other CF member had it right when he said he thought it was a repro vin tag? I'm not sure and not an expert to tell from the picture.
I have #2,254 recorded as being a White/Red Coupe. I originally recorded it as being a 300 hp car and it was painted Red at the time.
I then recorded it as now being Silver and FI still with it's correct trim tag showing the correct body number etc.

Good luck with your '63 search!
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thats not the correct oil pan. Photo of pad is horrible.....maybe its not the photo....
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Originally Posted by gold63
i'm not looking to keep it a secret but also don't want to come off as being '63 police or something like that.
I've recorded '63 #2,254 twice before including once with it's correct trim tag. Perhaps the other cf member had it right when he said he thought it was a repro vin tag? I'm not sure and not an expert to tell from the picture.
I have #2,254 recorded as being a white/red coupe. I originally recorded it as being a 300 hp car and it was painted red at the time.
I then recorded it as now being silver and fi still with it's correct trim tag showing the correct body number etc.

Good luck with your '63 search!
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Remind me never to search for a 63’ SWC. It’s worse than buying a Rolex off eBay.

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Some interesting info/history on 2254 in the C2 Registry. So Eric - did you go to LA and check out the silver/black A/C coupe? If so, what did you think/find out?

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Some interesting info/history on 2254 in the C2 Registry. So Eric - did you go to LA and check out the silver/black A/C coupe? If so, what did you think/find out?

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Going on Saturday. I was thinking about seeing this car in Boston but the Trim Tag controversy made it an easy decision. I will bet that the Trim Tag is real but on the wrong car.
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Originally Posted by eric lipper
Going on Saturday. I was thinking about seeing this car in Boston but the Trim Tag controversy made it an easy decision. I will bet that the Trim Tag is real but on the wrong car.
It sounds like you decided to move on from this car, but just for future reference, from looking at the dash in the area of the radio, it appears that this car has a vinyl covered dash. The vinyl covered dashes didn't start showing up until mid November, making this car 3 or 4 weeks to early, to have a vinyl covered dash.

To your question about the trans, the BW T-10 was used until May 1963. The T-10 was replaced by the Muncie during the first week of May.
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So...is it live or is it Memorex? Do we have two cars out there with the same VIN or one car that has been reconstituted as a silver FI?

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x2 on trim tag appearing to be a repop. Theres a thread on chevelles.com about identifying one, the difference is glaringly obvious.
Hopefully we are wrong and this may be a legit car for you.....personally like original survivor cars at least you can see what they really are.
Keep us posted.
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So...is it live or is it Memorex? Do we have two cars out there with the same VIN or one car that has been reconstituted as a silver FI?
I know talking with the prior owner that the car had a red interior when he got it and he put it back to black last year. That explains why it does not have a smooth center dash and why the entire interior is mostly reproduction. My guess is that it is a correct vin number but was originally white with red.
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Eric, best of luck in your search! While I have nothing to contribute to help you in your search, I want to thank you for posting and for being so transparent. I have learned a ton from your threads and the wealth of knowledge on this forum is impressive. I hope you find the right one. I’ll be cheering you on!


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