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Old 10-19-2018, 05:15 PM
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Why not mention first year C5? When the oval tail lights replaced the round pieces it was taboo.

Actually in the long run, the red-haired, stepchild '64 is/was more "hated" than the '63.

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What's the problem? I thought it was relatively accurate.
I agree with Mike. Most of the Corvettes produced in the 70s were overweight, underpowered, ill handling pigs with enormous quality control issues. If you gave me another fifteen minutes on that video, I could expand the list beyond what was mentioned. Corvettes of that era were caricatures of themselves. They made a trillion of them, mostly with slush boxes. If these ever become collectible, I have some Elvis art I will post on Ebay.

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Originally Posted by gowenfast
Actually, the "Wing" cars were scientifically designed in a wind tunnel to compete in NASCAR, hardly the work of an average 14 year old. Very uninformed comment
Uninformed lol. Scientific design has nothing to do with it being an attractive design and anyway,the people buying them from a dealership werent NASCAR drivers and I doubt very much that design did anything to lower 1/4 mile ETs and like i said... they look like a 14 year old designed it.
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Why? They are still ugly as hell. Is it just because they are worth so much money? I wouldn't give up any space for that ugly POS. They were quick, but not enough to get over their looks.
I disagree. Put the right wheel & tire combo on them and they look downright mean. Also consider the year they hit the roads, 1969, pretty gutsy stuff for back then. And, as others have stated, the looks was for SPEED, not some styling whimsy. They worked so good they were outlawed, now that is bad ***!

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Originally Posted by phil2302
Uninformed lol. Scientific design has nothing to do with it being an attractive design and anyway,the people buying them from a dealership werent NASCAR drivers and I doubt very much that design did anything to lower 1/4 mile ETs and like i said... they look like a 14 year old designed it.
Well done Capt. Obvious. You missed the point totally. Yeah, the car was scientifically designed, to qualify to compete in NASCAR (not 1/4 miles), and "pretty" was the farthest thing from the designer's mind, I'd guess. Are (any) 14 year olds capable of such a design? Drawing? Concept? Testing? Understanding the data? No. Thank you, counsellor, no further questions...

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Old 10-19-2018, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Hampton
I agree with Mike. Most of the Corvettes produced in the 70s were overweight, underpowered, ill handling pigs with enormous quality control issues. If you gave me another fifteen minutes on that video, I could expand the list beyond what was mentioned. Corvettes of that era were caricatures of themselves. They made a trillion of them, mostly with slush boxes. If these ever become collectible, I have some Elvis art I will post on Ebay.
I have to agree with this. In the '70's, I coveted 1956-1967 Corvettes and musclecars. We teens of driving age laughed at what the Corvette had become beginning with the '74 model . They were mainly driven by Disco Donnies with gold chains and fat women with feathered hair. They were slow, handled poorly, had a turning radius of a school bus, and were slapped together. They did nothing well.
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Originally Posted by GTOguy
I have to agree with this. In the '70's, I coveted 1956-1967 Corvettes and musclecars. We teens of driving age laughed at what the Corvette had become beginning with the '74 model . They were mainly driven by Disco Donnies with gold chains and fat women with feathered hair. They were slow, handled poorly, had a turning radius of a school bus, and were slapped together. They did nothing well.
To be fair everything was getting slow by 1974, due to govt regulation. If you wanted to go fast you bought something made before 1971. In 74 the only better new car than a vette was a Trans Am or a Pantera, excluding exotics.

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I agree 100%. My choice for a new domestic car in '74 would be an SD 455 Firebird or Trans Am.
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Originally Posted by gowenfast
Well done Capt. Obvious. You missed the point totally. Yeah, the car was scientifically designed, to qualify to compete in NASCAR (not 1/4 miles), and "pretty" was the farthest thing from the designer's mind, I'd guess. Are (any) 14 year olds capable of such a design? Drawing? Concept? Testing? Understanding the data? No. Thank you, counsellor, no further questions...
Huh? No wait what? Really? No c'mon..REALLY? I know about "The Science" etc its old news but the car is still ugly. Its only an opinion and I know its subjective! You can love it. really Its ok its not personal and like honestly why care so much how I feel about how those cars look sheeeeesh?
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Originally Posted by phil2302
Huh? No wait what? Really? No c'mon..REALLY? I know about "The Science" etc its old news but the car is still ugly. Its only an opinion and I know its subjective! You can love it. really Its ok its not personal and like honestly why care so much how I feel about how those cars look sheeeeesh?
Relax Captain!! I'm just pushin' a few of your buttons...Lighten up, Francis..

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Originally Posted by colo63sw
To be fair everything was getting slow by 1974, due to govt regulation. If you wanted to go fast you bought something made before 1971. In 74 the only better new car than a vette was a Trans Am or a Pantera, excluding exotics.
With a few minor exceptions, the automotive horsepower curve of history peaked in 1967. After that, it was pretty much down hill for a long time.
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Originally Posted by phil2302
Ugly is being kind for those cars. They look like a 14 year old designed them.
The guy who invented/designed the rear wing and noses on the original Daytona and Superbird in the late 60's also did ALL of the aero work on the Viper in the late 90's and early 2000's; he was still there doing Viper aero work when I was the Viper Plant Manager from 1995-2001. Remember the group of louvers in the top of the front fenders on the new '96 (and later) Vipers? They got us another 7 mph in top speed - got any idea how much horsepower it takes to gain 7 mph at 200 mph? Aero isn't always pretty, but it's FREE.
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Originally Posted by gowenfast
Actually, the "Wing" cars were scientifically designed in a wind tunnel to compete in NASCAR, hardly the work of an average 14 year old. Very uninformed comment
Not doubting you, but if the wings were scientifically designed in a wind tunnel, why were the Dodge and Plymouth wings different?
Old 10-19-2018, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
The guy who invented/designed the rear wing and noses on the original Daytona and Superbird in the late 60's also did ALL of the aero work on the Viper in the late 90's and early 2000's; he was still there doing Viper aero work when I was the Viper Plant Manager from 1995-2001. Remember the group of louvers in the top of the front fenders on the new '96 (and later) Vipers? They got us another 7 mph in top speed - got any idea how much horsepower it takes to gain 7 mph at 200 mph? Aero isn't always pretty, but it's FREE.
I'm betting the "guy" you're referring to, doing all the designing of the wings, etc, isn't actually a 14 year old??...
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
The guy who invented/designed the rear wing and noses on the original Daytona and Superbird in the late 60's also did ALL of the aero work on the Viper in the late 90's and early 2000's; he was still there doing Viper aero work when I was the Viper Plant Manager from 1995-2001. Remember the group of louvers in the top of the front fenders on the new '96 (and later) Vipers? They got us another 7 mph in top speed - got any idea how much horsepower it takes to gain 7 mph at 200 mph? Aero isn't always pretty, but it's FREE.
Very true and if I remember correctly when Richard Petty switched over to Ford (1969?) he had them working on aero designs for the Torino but NASCAR changeg the rules about how many cars had to be available to the public and it became disallowed before they got it on the race track. I remember they banned the Hemi engines (65?) that way also when they were winning a majority of the races.
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Originally Posted by Duck916
Not doubting you, but if the wings were scientifically designed in a wind tunnel, why were the Dodge and Plymouth wings different?
I would hazard a guess of "trial, and error"? Computers were not the norm. They tested about everything on the track, in real time. Very good question..Anyone??
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Originally Posted by KC John
Why? They are still ugly as hell. Is it just because they are worth so much money? I wouldn't give up any space for that ugly POS. They were quick, but not enough to get over their looks.
I am all about styling ,always have been . If it ain't pretty I don't want it . I don't care how fast it is . I always did think the Superbird was the ugliest car I ever saw and still do . Personally I would be embarrassed to be seen driving one because it is not my taste even though if I was pulling into a cruise nobody would be looking at me anyway .

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Originally Posted by gowenfast
I would hazard a guess of "trial, and error"? Computers were not the norm. They tested about everything on the track, in real time. Very good question..Anyone??
Maybe the greenhouse is different in those cars? I don't think it is, but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by bj1k
I am all about styling ,always have been . If it ain't pretty I don't want it . I don't care how fast it is . I always did think the Superbird was the ugliest car I ever saw and still do . Personally I would be embarrassed to be seen driving one because it is not my taste even though if I was pulling into a cruise nobody would be looking at me anyway .
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have loved the Superbirds since they came out. I'd trade any of my current vehicles for one in a heartbeat.
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OK -- Officially sorry I brought up the Superbird....

But it was to make the point that what seemed odd and a bit bizarre decades ago can become whimsical and beloved today...
At least that's what my wife of 40 years says about me...

Can we move on now to El Caminos ?
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