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Old 12-11-2018, 06:44 PM
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Check out this ad for a pretty decent looking '66. The description sounds great. There are things to pick on but all and all not a bad looking car. That is until you get to the last two photos.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...e/2132883.html
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Originally Posted by provette67 View Post
Check out this ad for a pretty decent looking '66. The description sounds great. There are things to pick on but all and all not a bad looking car. That is until you get to the last two photos.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...e/2132883.html
I'm speechless.
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Old 12-11-2018, 06:58 PM
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Could be real.....Why the name crossout?
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Old 12-11-2018, 07:09 PM
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Looks good to me. But he really should remove the paint from the pad for better clarity.

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The only way it would be 1/2 way believable is if there were photos of the stamp pad BEFORE they decked the block. That restamp takes the cake, it would have been better if they left it blank.
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Even I don't need that one explained to me.
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That is far more daring than using weasel words to try to slip a nom engine by to an unsuspecting buyer. Weasel words can protect an unscrupulous seller - that's why we bristle when we see them.

That comes right out and says "trust me" in print.

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I believe in being honest! But, I have difficulty in Al Knoch repro interiors being okay, repaints being okay, coker tires being okay, repro stainless trim okay and many, many more things beings okay. You stamp pad guys are killing me. What is your point? Seems the only thing that has to be 100% real is the motor-really?
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Originally Posted by tgtexas02 View Post
I believe in being honest! But, I have difficulty in Al Knoch repro interiors being okay, repaints being okay, coker tires being okay, repro stainless trim okay and many, many more things beings okay. You stamp pad guys are killing me. What is your point? Seems the only thing that has to be 100% real is the motor-really?
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It's the only marque I'm aware of in which an original engine carries such disproportionate weight on value, absurd when you think about it given the designed life of a 327, its intended owners and use, and the intervening years. Funny how it is not at all unusual or unreasonable to have a vintage Cadillac with its original engine given its manufacture and type of use and ownership. But no one in the Cadillac hobby gives a ****.

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It's the only marque I'm aware of in which an original engine carries such disproportionate weight on value, absurd when you think about it given the designed life of a 327, its intended owners and use, and the intervening years. Funny how it is not at all unusual or unreasonable to have a vintage Cadillac with its original engine given its manufacture and type of use and ownership. But no one in the Cadillac hobby gives a ****.

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Oh, I don't know about that. I think the value deduction for a NOM engine in a 50s/60s Ferrari/desirable Porsche easily exceeds C2/C1 deductions for same. Pontiacs, not so much.
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Originally Posted by dplotkin View Post
It's the only marque I'm aware of in which an original engine carries such disproportionate weight on value, absurd when you think about it given the designed life of a 327, its intended owners and use, and the intervening years. Funny how it is not at all unusual or unreasonable to have a vintage Cadillac with its original engine given its manufacture and type of use and ownership. But no one in the Cadillac hobby gives a ****.

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just about any other GM muscle cars
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That's a really terrible restamp. Not even close. And how can someone from Bloomington Gold state that it definitely is the original block?

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Opinion from the NCRS is meaningless. They are in the business of faking Corvettes.
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just about any other GM muscle cars
Really? I don't see that in ads for Buick GS or even Chevelle. I understand it is a consideration but I don't think it dooms other cars to reduced-price purgatory as it does on these plastic banana cars atop Bel-Air platforms. This is a funky Corvette collector trait and from where it originates, who knows. It wouldn't be any stranger to say that I have my numbers matching 56 year old oil burner/boiler heating my home.

I'm not making a judgement, just an observation. Everyone is entitled to their proclivities. Yet I might further observe that the Corvette collector universe would be trolled less by the unscrupulous were original motor or numbers matching status to have less value.

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How did the NCRS get dragged into this discussion. The ad that I read indicated this car had Bloomington Gold documents
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Thats a pretty bad restamp job... moving forward 50 years, these engines can only be rebuilt so many time before they are scrap iron, and then what? We are all only 1 missed gear away from that same fate, dont sweat it, just move on.

This looks like a really nice car, with good upgrades, leather, sidepipes, sounds much like some the things I did to my #'s matching car....
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Originally Posted by dplotkin View Post
Really? I don't see that in ads for Buick GS or even Chevelle. I understand it is a consideration but I don't think it dooms other cars to reduced-price purgatory as it does on these plastic banana cars atop Bel-Air platforms. This is a funky Corvette collector trait and from where it originates, who knows. It wouldn't be any stranger to say that I have my numbers matching 56 year old oil burner/boiler heating my home.

I'm not making a judgement, just an observation. Everyone is entitled to their proclivities. Yet I might further observe that the Corvette collector universe would be trolled less by the unscrupulous were original motor or numbers matching status to have less value.

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I partially agree. For the lowly Corvette's with the standard engine, I don't understand why it matters so much. The Higher horsepower cars and special interest cars I think the original engine adds greatly to the value, especially if the value is the engine and the engine is the proof of such said rarity or value. Otherwise a 454 stuffed in a 300hp car could claim it was an original 427-435. Change a handful of parts during the restoration and wallah, you got a winner. Same would go for changing the 300 to a 350 hp car. I think (don't know, don't follow) that other higher end GM's (LS6 cars, Stage 1 Buicks, Ram Air IV, Etc) would need the original engine also to bring the higher price. Also, having the original engine leaves the impression that the car was at least mildly care for during it's life.

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Man, talk about "lowering" the bar. I don't care who's signature is on there, this document is laughable at best.
If this is all it's going to take to prove "numbers" from here on in, I see a future where every Corvette has it's original engine back in place.
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Originally Posted by ztheusa View Post
Opinion from the NCRS is meaningless. They are in the business of faking Corvettes.
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How did the NCRS get dragged into this discussion. The ad that I read indicated this car had Bloomington Gold documents
I also wondered how the NCRS got dragged into this discussion..

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