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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
If you like the, change them. One tip, don't overtighten. They will crack, unlike steel. They will also be harder to keep clean, but no big deal. I like them also, and they are on my 350 hp. I recently bead blasted and painted them with Alumablast.

What octane gas are you burning? I was looked into installing a 350HP hydraulic cam in my 327 to add some poop, but these stock engines also came with 11:1 compression. That seems like a lot of compression for todays gas. Yes, No?

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Originally Posted by 62cruiseer
What octane gas are you burning? I was looked into installing a 350HP hydraulic cam in my 327 to add some poop, but these stock engines also came with 11:1 compression. That seems like a lot of compression for todays gas. Yes, No?

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. I happen to live near a station that sells 93 octane ethanol free. I burn that whenever possible, but sometimes run just high test at regular ethanol station.
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Originally Posted by 62cruiseer
What octane gas are you burning? I was looked into installing a 350HP hydraulic cam in my 327 to add some poop, but these stock engines also came with 11:1 compression. That seems like a lot of compression for todays gas. Yes, No?

BH
If you are going to upgrade you engine the very best thing you can do is switch to aftermarket Aluminum heads. I have them on my 57 383 stroker engine with true 11 to 1 compression and can run it on 87 ethanol free gas without detonation. The aluminum heads dissipate the heat much better which is key. They also flow much better than porting your original heads and will give you much more power.
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Paragon sells both flawed and un-flawed covers. A '66 should have flawed ones, which is great, 'cause they're much cheaper. Paragon starts with flawed ones, produced off of the original cracked dies. They then put a lot of hand labor into getting rid of the aluminum "flash" defect, to make "un-flawed" ones, the expensive hand labor raises the cost.

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Paragon sells both flawed and un-flawed covers. A '66 should have flawed ones, which is great, 'cause they're much cheaper. Paragon starts with flawed ones, produced off of the original cracked dies. They then put a lot of hand labor into getting rid of the aluminum "flash" defect, to make "un-flawed" ones, the expensive hand labor raises the cost.

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In High School Metal Shop I sand cast copies of the Thunderbird valve covers, and after a bit of hand filing, wire brush, and rogue wheel work they didn't look too bad. The new Corvette script covers in raw form look worse than my High School efforts.

You would think that with today's 3D Printers someone could make a modern copy of the female no-flaw cover molds to cast production mold plugs for new covers. I think it would be more difficult to reproduce molds and plugs for the period correct flaw, rather than clean cover molds and plugs with no flaw.

Has the US abandoned the technology to make sand casting of small production runs economical, or has it been regulated out of business?
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Originally Posted by Vettrocious
Paragon sells both flawed and un-flawed covers. A '66 should have flawed ones, which is great, 'cause they're much cheaper. Paragon starts with flawed ones, produced off of the original cracked dies. They then put a lot of hand labor into getting rid of the aluminum "flash" defect, to make "un-flawed" ones, the expensive hand labor raises the cost.

Mike
Not all 66's got flawed covers. Only after March 66. As I said earlier it doesn't really matter he's not building an NCRS car, putting them to a lower horsepower car.
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Originally Posted by 63 340HP
In High School Metal Shop I sand cast copies of the Thunderbird valve covers, and after a bit of hand filing, wire brush, and rogue wheel work they didn't look too bad. The new Corvette script covers in raw form look worse than my High School efforts.

You would think that with today's 3D Printers someone could make a modern copy of the female no-flaw cover molds to cast production mold plugs for new covers. I think it would be more difficult to reproduce molds and plugs for the period correct flaw, rather than clean cover molds and plugs with no flaw.

Has the US abandoned the technology to make sand casting of small production runs economical, or has it been regulated out of business?
Don't know about current sand casting availability, but I'm pretty sure that 3D printed covers would leak like a sieve...
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Originally Posted by Vettrocious
Don't know about current sand casting availability, but I'm pretty sure that 3D printed covers would leak like a sieve...
The 3D printing would be for the female molds. The actual mold plugs that look like the covers would be foam or wax displaced by the cast aluminum in the green sand.
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Unfortunately this only shows the picture with no link to the ad itself...

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Thank-you. Hard to see if these have the "flaw" but as noted above, I am not doing an NCRS car, so the price is right!

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Originally Posted by 63 340HP
The 3D printing would be for the female molds. The actual mold plugs that look like the covers would be foam or wax displaced by the cast aluminum in the green sand.
I should have read that post more carefully 🙂 Thanks
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Originally Posted by woodsdesign
Didn't some 300 HP cars get aluminum valve covers on the assembly line when the stamped ones ran out of stock. I think that happened about the same time Chevrolet ran out of small block hoods.
Must have been havoc at St. Louis, as it is my understanding that a shortage of 4-barrel carbs led to the brief period where big-block hoods and ‘65 Rochester Fuel Injection units (that finally made it out of the repair crib), were installed on cars that inadvertently also got left over un-flawed valve covers. Lucky for me, was able to recently get one of these original cars (at a premium price, of course) from one of our more trustworthy Corvette dealers.
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Must have been havoc at St. Louis, as it is my understanding that a shortage of 4-barrel carbs led to the brief period where big-block hoods and ‘65 Rochester Fuel Injection units (that finally made it out of the repair crib), were installed on cars that inadvertently also got left over un-flawed valve covers. Lucky for me, was able to recently get one of these original cars (at a premium price, of course) from one of our more trustworthy Corvette dealers.
You guys are hilarious.

I am certain I am going to find a VERY RARE something on my car to post about once I get it in hand. It will probably be a one-off combination super/turbo charger hidden in the A/C system that is only activated when the car is going in reverse and...but wait, I don't want to give away too much now.

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Originally Posted by 63 340HP
The 3D printing would be for the female molds.
From a purely prurient perspective, this particular post is positively intriguing....(please ignore the excessive alliteration)
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Originally Posted by richopp
So, another stupid question: I bought a 327/300 '66. I LOVE the finned aluminium Corvette valve covers that did not come on my car from the factory. Since I am not interested in competition, what do people think of changing out the originals (if the bolt pattern works) with the aluminium ones? I would keep the painted ones, of course, but I just happen to like the look of the others.

Is this a totally bonehead move or considered OK as long as I know the difference and keep the factory ones cleaned up and stored away?

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I put these incorrect valve covers on my ‘68... then on my ‘63 roadster... then on my first SWC... and now on my current SWC about 35 years later... yeah, I think this is the most common transgression in the hobby.
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I put these incorrect valve covers on my ‘68... then on my ‘63 roadster... then on my first SWC... and now on my current SWC about 35 years later... yeah, I think this is the most common transgression in the hobby.

Oh, dear me...a serial trangressionist (that might not actually be a word, see how inventive we are here)

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Oh, dear me...a serial trangressionist (that might not actually be a word, see how inventive we are here)
I was actually going to describe myself as a serial offender and decided against it. Of course, I’ve been known to illegally add a big block hood and leather seat covers from time to time according to my rap sheet.

Now if I could only bring myself to install that Vintage Air Kit.

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Originally Posted by Vettebuyer6369

Now if I could only bring myself to install that Vintage Air Kit.
Yeah, that would be really cool....
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The straight bolt absent the "flaw" are getting harder to find, but they're out there.

I was finally able to find a pair in Ohio. Talked to the guy and he told me he's had them for decades, as they were removed from a friends Father's '63 Corvette.

It took a bit of patience, but I was finally able to get them.

In your case, since they were not original to the car, purchasing the "flawed" or the "non-flawed" version should work. I think they make any engine look good.

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Here's a 63 with Vintage Air and their serpentine system

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