[C2] Aftermarket EFI sytems
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I found I'm a better t00ner than Holley carb whisperer..
The reciprocating mass hasn't changed in 100 years but the electronics and fueling are now modern.
The reciprocating mass hasn't changed in 100 years but the electronics and fueling are now modern.
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"...Mostly, I think it adds value..."
I wouldn't figure that it adds cash value to the car when you want to sell it.
Once it's all done and working properly, though, knowing that you wanted it and now you have it is "value" also, and the only question of value should be value to YOU.
I wouldn't figure that it adds cash value to the car when you want to sell it.
Once it's all done and working properly, though, knowing that you wanted it and now you have it is "value" also, and the only question of value should be value to YOU.
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While I know and under stand the improvement of electronic fuel injection. But for a limited use car that fuel mileage is not a real concern how does one justify the cost that goes with this. Especially on a stock car with a stock engine. And please don’t tell me 50 year old parts are no good and can’t be rebuilt. If that was the case you would not own a 50 year old car
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I completely agree, Just because is the perfect answer, it's quite fun to make the car into what you want it to be, good luck, and please keep us posted on the install and impressions of both the 5 speed and EFI, they are both very popular upgrades! Try not to let the negative people turn you away from the site, most of us appreciate learning from others real world experiences!
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#31
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I have FI on my Cobra, and a holley on my C2. Both start&run great, hot or cold. I am frankly more worried over time with the FI, cause the ever changing technologie will outpace my current system one day. Already today (6 years after I set-up and tuned the FI for the Cobra), its' a mess to find the right OS for my PC to run the appropriate version of configuration software for the FI. That will only get worse over time. One answer may be that once set-up there is no need for retouching the system, but who believes that
#32
Well put. Some C2 questions should be asked in the C3 forum where veering away from stock setup questions are pretty well tolerated.Fully understand why some folks do more lurking on the forum than participating. Think I'll go look at my 64 with Hooker sidepipes, 383 with Holley HP, dual sync, 9" rear,67 hood, classic instrument gauges,spreader bar, etc,etc.
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I have FI on my Cobra, and a holley on my C2. Both start&run great, hot or cold. I am frankly more worried over time with the FI, cause the ever changing technologie will outpace my current system one day. Already today (6 years after I set-up and tuned the FI for the Cobra), its' a mess to find the right OS for my PC to run the appropriate version of configuration software for the FI. That will only get worse over time. One answer may be that once set-up there is no need for retouching the system, but who believes that
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#36
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Went with Holley Sniper EFI with my 383 storker.
Why? Becuase I wanted it period.
Here is write-up on my install ===> Click Here
George
Why? Becuase I wanted it period.
Here is write-up on my install ===> Click Here
George
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I've always had a deep appreciation for the 60's muscle. Old Ford pickups. I used to love the customs of the 70's. When I was 20 years old I bought a '49' Ford F-1. Had it for 10 years. Bone stock suspension, 70's drivetrain with a 4 speed, no PS, with Kelly Supercharger 60's all the way around. The 438 rear was scary when you got on it! What a blast to drive. Don't think my body could handle it these days. Loved the feel of the old ride. Today I'm not looking for a complete restomod, but a little more driveability while maintaining a factory appearance. Weather or not the mods add value doesn't really mater to me. The value of these cars (all original) is hurting right now, but I didn't do it for an investment. I did it because it's what I love to do, and the midyear was always on the top of my list. To each his own. Thanks for the interest in the thread.
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I'm interested in your last question as well. I see the instruction manual has a very nice diagram of the unit but unfortunately it doesn't have dimensions. I know the Edelbrock carbs interfere due to the electric choke but the Sniper appears cleaner in that regard. Another dimension to be careful with is to compare the height of the Sniper from mounting pad to air cleaner pad to that of the carb you are running since that will effect hood clearance which can be an issue with the stock small block hood.
One important benefit to adding EFI that has not been mentioned and is actually one of the most important to me is controlling cylinder washing with fuel. Even a very well tuned carburetor will have times when it runs pig rich, especially with the choke engaged (I know this is somewhat tunable) and with changes in ambient temperature. This excess fuel washes the cylinders and is a major contributor to cylinder wall and piston ring wear as well as leading to contamination of oil which further contributes to premature engine wear. Modern vehicles have incredibly long tune up intervals (ie no spark plug change for 100K miles!) and yet routinely run well over 200k miles. I know back in the day, a carbonated car with >100K on the clock was thought to be likely used up. Just think of all those SBC blocks you've seen with an obvious ridge in the cylinders. When is the last time you saw that with a junkyard LS engine? Yes, I know there are other factors that go into it but having a computer KEEPING things in tune leads to a longer lasting engine.
Our cars that are used typically rather lightly are even more susceptible to this because they are run infrequently and often for short trips which does not give the engine enough time at full operating temperature to help burn off progressive oil contamination.
These are just my opinions so if others disagree, I'm happy to learn from you.
I have not made the leap to EFI yet but Sniper is at the top of my list since I do not want to change manifolds to go to a multi-port setup.
One important benefit to adding EFI that has not been mentioned and is actually one of the most important to me is controlling cylinder washing with fuel. Even a very well tuned carburetor will have times when it runs pig rich, especially with the choke engaged (I know this is somewhat tunable) and with changes in ambient temperature. This excess fuel washes the cylinders and is a major contributor to cylinder wall and piston ring wear as well as leading to contamination of oil which further contributes to premature engine wear. Modern vehicles have incredibly long tune up intervals (ie no spark plug change for 100K miles!) and yet routinely run well over 200k miles. I know back in the day, a carbonated car with >100K on the clock was thought to be likely used up. Just think of all those SBC blocks you've seen with an obvious ridge in the cylinders. When is the last time you saw that with a junkyard LS engine? Yes, I know there are other factors that go into it but having a computer KEEPING things in tune leads to a longer lasting engine.
Our cars that are used typically rather lightly are even more susceptible to this because they are run infrequently and often for short trips which does not give the engine enough time at full operating temperature to help burn off progressive oil contamination.
These are just my opinions so if others disagree, I'm happy to learn from you.
I have not made the leap to EFI yet but Sniper is at the top of my list since I do not want to change manifolds to go to a multi-port setup.