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Old 03-03-2019, 04:20 PM
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I know about torque.....my '61 has a sleeper 383 installed. It's just that I was impressed with how well that GM crate ran for the $1800 price tag. I never realized how well those things ran. Here it is in my '61 when I was getting the car back on the road a few years back. Looks just like a 283....but isn't.
And that was exactly the plan with the SB400 with FI in the 56. I wanted killer performance from an engine that resembled a 57 FI 283.
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I think it is safe to say there will not be an original look to this engine. Even if you paint the aluminum heads, they are drilled and tapped for accessory brackets which are probably in use.

Given this is not a concern, the new 350 is a plug and play and everything you have will fit.
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If you swap the heads, oil pan, and accessories from the 327 to the 350, the noticeable differences from five feet back are few (and almost all can be addressed):

No VIN pad on most 350 blocks (no functional issue).
No PCV tube hole in the 350 block (the need for a plumbed valve cover or valve cover riser, or intake, vent).
A tapped forward "Corvette" clutch z-bar hole.
A spin on oil filter in the 350 block.
A drivers side dipstick (although many 350's are in this configuration).
A different diameter harmonic balancer and timing tab location on the timing chain cover (if the 327 has the 8" SHP balancer).

Most people will never notice the differences, or appreciate to extra work to hide the differences.
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Originally Posted by alexandervdr
well the base C2 was even worse😎 that being said I swapped the camshaft for more low end torque and probably even less power (which I never felt) Got a perfect car to my taste now , did 7k Miles last year very smooth driver 👍
So what cam did you use?
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Originally Posted by karkrafter
For the money [low mid $2000] pretty good mill. Only 8.0:1 comp, little head change and 325 HP is not far away. All new parts...good option I think
With 8:0:1 compression ratio...the BEST flowing cylinder heads in the world will be grossly underutilized.
A compression ratio of 8:0:1 is more applicable to a forced induction system ( super charger) NOT a naturally aspirated engine.
Actually a lower compression ratio of 8;0;1 is WASTING the full potential of the fuel...when in fact... a compression ratio of 10:0:1 will give you an added 10 horsepower over the 350/290 hp crate engine at a compression ratio of 8:0:1...and More Torque! ...with better fuel economy...Mark

http://www.wallaceracing.com/hp-cr-chg.php

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Originally Posted by SI67
So what cam did you use?
the "929" cam from compcam Replacement for factory ID 3896929 CL12-105-3 https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...05-3/overview/
On top of more torque you get a much nicer idle too.
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Originally Posted by alexandervdr
the "929" cam from compcam Replacement for factory ID 3896929 CL12-105-3 https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...05-3/overview/
On top of more torque you get a much nicer idle too.
Specs say rpm operating range is 600 - 4800. Seems a little low for use in a C2?
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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
Specs say rpm operating range is 600 - 4800. Seems a little low for use in a C2?
glenn you need a poll for how many times owners have revved their c2 past 4,000 rpm.

I would wager many who owned them since “back in the day” are still doing it today but most of the recent buyers are not
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaJSB
glenn you need a poll for how many times owners have revved their c2 past 4,000 rpm.

I would wager many who owned them since “back in the day” are still doing it today but most of the recent buyers are not
I buy and build my cars to drive them as I did when I was 19. Even my stock 300 horse I take in the redline nearly every time I drive the car at least in 1st gear.
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If you have a real midyear Corvette engine, the fun starts at about 3000 and continues to 6000 and beyond.

Anything else is just transportation..
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Originally Posted by 68hemi
I buy and build my cars to drive them as I did when I was 19. Even my stock 300 horse I take in the redline nearly every time I drive the car at least in 1st gear.
Tsk Tsk Tsk, kids these days.....

btw because cam specs say 600-4800, that doesn't mean it won't spin above 4800...It will rev right to redline. on the street feeling it down low is way better than feeling it way up high....
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Originally Posted by 68hemi
I buy and build my cars to drive them as I did when I was 19. Even my stock 300 horse I take in the redline nearly every time I drive the car at least in 1st gear.
I don't. I got tired of replacing my u joints, clutch, transmission synchros, rear tires, etc. all the time. As a mechanic, I respect machinery. Use but don't abuse. I have a few friends that are 'redline every gear' guys. Their cars are always in between engine jobs or otherwise sidelined. Mine keep on running, decade after decade. I have a lot more wisdom and introspect than I did when I was 19, thank God.
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaJSB
glenn you need a poll for how many times owners have revved their c2 past 4,000 rpm.

I would wager many who owned them since “back in the day” are still doing it today but most of the recent buyers are not
Hi Benton - sadly you are probably right. For me the rpm is also about the noise, growing from a growl to a roar to a howl as the revs build. Also the snap crackle pop as the revs drop in between shifts.

You dont have to speed shift/power shift/abuse the machinery to enjoy that!
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Originally Posted by GTOguy
I don't. I got tired of replacing my u joints, clutch, transmission synchros, rear tires, etc. all the time. As a mechanic, I respect machinery. Use but don't abuse. I have a few friends that are 'redline every gear' guys. Their cars are always in between engine jobs or otherwise sidelined. Mine keep on running, decade after decade. I have a lot more wisdom and introspect than I did when I was 19, thank God.
There is nothing abusive about taking these cars to redline the factory designed them for it. It is all about the launch and shift that can be abuse. I seldom rev and dump the clutch or power shift anymore like I did 10 years ago.
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Originally Posted by karkrafter
Tsk Tsk Tsk, kids these days.....

btw because cam specs say 600-4800, that doesn't mean it won't spin above 4800...It will rev right to redline. on the street feeling it down low is way better than feeling it way up high....
Well yeah, but the power drops off then so what’s the point in reving it beyond the power peak?
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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
Well yeah, but the power drops off then so what’s the point in reving it beyond the power peak?
Exactly!!!...the cam being used in the 350/290 hp...has a rather "tame" grind....having a "lift" of .390 on the intake & .410 on the exhaust.... that cam is just revving & building NO torque/horsepower after 4,800 rpms.

That cam is the DIRECT replacement cam for the 1972 350 cubic inch engine producing an earth shattering ....200 hp

Notes:Replacement for factory ID 3896929, fits 1965-68 327 CID with factory 275/300 HP, 1967-69 350 CID with factory 295 HP, 1970 350 CID with factory 300 HP, 1971 350 CID with factory 270 HP, and 1972 350 CID with factory 200 HP.....Mark

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while I would agree with you for the most part, there is nothing abusive taking a solid lifer small block to red line every now and than, it just starts stretching its legs at 4 grand. and the sound is addicting.
Originally Posted by GTOguy
I don't. I got tired of replacing my u joints, clutch, transmission synchros, rear tires, etc. all the time. As a mechanic, I respect machinery. Use but don't abuse. I have a few friends that are 'redline every gear' guys. Their cars are always in between engine jobs or otherwise sidelined. Mine keep on running, decade after decade. I have a lot more wisdom and introspect than I did when I was 19, thank God.

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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
Well yeah, but the power drops off then so what’s the point in reving it beyond the power peak?
Ok how about this...100% of the time we drive our cars, we drive thru the 600-4800 RPM power band. 100% of the time [unless your car idles at 4800 RPM. Even if you redline your ride ONCE every time you drive it, you still spend a exceptionally small amount of the time 'above the power band'

To build your car for a 10 second period of time you drive your car and put the rest of the time it's running as secondary seems foolish to me. But certainly set up your ride for you, not me or anybody else.
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Originally Posted by 68hemi
There is nothing abusive about taking these cars to redline the factory designed them for it. It is all about the launch and shift that can be abuse. I seldom rev and dump the clutch or power shift anymore like I did 10 years ago.
EXACTLY! You beat me to the response. The act of taking an engine to redline alone is not abusing the machinery and will not cause the catastrophic failures described above . I think that was just a bad assumption about how others drive and a wee bit of an overstatement.

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Originally Posted by karkrafter
Ok how about this...100% of the time we drive our cars, we drive thru the 600-4800 RPM power band. 100% of the time [unless your car idles at 4800 RPM. Even if you redline your ride ONCE every time you drive it, you still spend a exceptionally small amount of the time 'above the power band'

To build your car for a 10 second period of time you drive your car and put the rest of the time it's running as secondary seems foolish to me. But certainly set up your ride for you, not me or anybody else.
How about picking a camshaft with different specs that is good from say 800 to 6000 rpm and cover all the bases?


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