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Old 06-01-2019, 06:35 AM
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I wonder how long before this happens in the US. Hopefully, technology will stay a couple of steps ahead of the politicians.

https://carbuzz.com/news/new-chevy-c...nned-in-europe

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Perhaps Brexit will overcome this nonsense.
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And yet they allow several V 12 engined cars to be sold there.......
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I rarely have to read an entire article to know whatever they decide to do in Europe, I will be against it.

Incredibly, so many others in the US just wanna be Euro.
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Fine with me, those kind of people don't deserve these cars anyway.
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If they only sold one of those cars in the month of February, how much of a dent will it make to stop selling them?

Maybe we should ban Land Rover sales.
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Taking rights away bringing more muslims in...who the hell would want to be there?
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So these cars are illegal immigrants over there now ?
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The article's Camaro commercial invoice cost quoted is misleading, as it does not include tariff or excise tax. The desirable Camaro 1LT is also quite a bit more expensive, resulting in slow sales.


United Kingdom - Import Tariffs

Includes information on average tariff rates and types that U.S. firms should be aware of when exporting to the market. Last Published: 9/8/2018


Customs duty is assessed on the fair market value of imported goods at the time they are landed in the UK. Import prices for products entering the UK from non-EU states generally consist of: Cost, Insurance, Freight and Duty, with standard VAT of 20% levied on the aggregate value.
The commercial invoice value is usually accepted as the normal price, but if a preferential arrangement has been established between the overseas supplier and the importer, or an unrealistic value has been declared, HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) reserves the right to assess a fair market value for duty purposes. The duty is payable at the time the goods are imported, but established importers can defer payment for, on average, 30 days. In addition to customs duties on imported goods, an excise tax is levied on in-country sales of alcohol, tobacco, and road vehicles, and on sales of oil and petroleum products.

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Uh oh, one of the stars from The Discovery Channel's hit reality show "Street Outlaws: Fon du Lac !" was planning on a European promotional tour. Bad news for local Minnesota bad boy and local street racing legend "Lil Pasty".



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The EU doesn't want American cars like the Corvette, Camaro, Mustang,, or Challenger because of their price and performance. Do you think Porsche or AMG wants ZR1 or ZL1,s shaming them on their own home grounds?
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Uh oh, one of the stars from The Discovery Channel's hit reality show "Street Outlaws: Fon du Lac !" was planning on a European promotional tour. Bad news for local Minnesota bad boy and local street racing legend "Lil Pasty".



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Originally Posted by mikelj
Fine with me, those kind of people don't deserve these cars anyway.
Brits? Scots? From the land that created Jaguar and Aston Martin? What's not to like?
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Hell, they still honor Lucas, the Prince of Darkness. But what else would you expect from people who live in stone houses?
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don't be to harsh on the Europeans (I am one of them!). There are plenty of european brands that did not make it in the US for all sorts of reasons neither. Style and taste do differ too.
Some of us may not like tesla (I do) , but they are a huge succes in Europe. As is the Mustang since Ford decided to release them finally back in the European market, with the option of the smaller engine, and after decades of negligence. Jeeps are very popular too.
GM itself is to blame too: has been an absolute disaster in the way they handled the European market. Even their own local brand (Opel, you have probably never seen one) has been sold 2 years ago to competitor Peugeot because they could not make money in the last 20 years. Net result is that there are about zero GM dealerships left. Hard to sell products then.
So, let's be nice to each other. I absolutely adore my C2, and my Cobra. The latter is actually half US, half Europe, cause the original was nothing less than a British sports car (AC) that was fitted with a big US Ford engine by Shelby.

Road&Track magazine compared both in 1963! Here is the interesting read https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...on-track-1963/

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Originally Posted by alexandervdr
don't be to harsh on the Europeans (I am one of them!). There are plenty of european brands that did not make it in the US for all sorts of reasons neither. Style and taste do differ too.
Some of us may not like tesla (I do) , but they are a huge succes in Europe. As is the Mustang since Ford decided to release them finally back in the European market, with the option of the smaller engine, and after decades of negligence. Jeeps are very popular too.
GM itself is to blame too: has been an absolute disaster in the way they handled the European market. Even their own local brand (Opel, you have probably never seen one) has been sold 2 years ago to competitor Peugeot because they could not make money in the last 20 years. Net result is that there are about zero GM dealerships left. Hard to sell products then.
So, let's be nice to each other. I absolutely adore my C2, and my Cobra. The latter is actually half US, half Europe, cause the original was nothing less than a British sports car (AC) that was fitted with a big US Ford engine by Shelby.

Road&Track magazine compared both in 1963! Here is the interesting read https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...on-track-1963/
I have a fondness where European and American (and Australian) car cultures intersect, and think it's pretty universal. It's interesting to me how many American muscle and sports cars are in the hands of European collectors, and how many high end desirable European cars are built for the American market, and this with all the different hurdles placed between the manufacturers.

I believe I read where only 1 Camaro was sold in all of Europe last year anyway, so why bother (or be concerned), if true. Absent the years where knock-down American cars were assembled in Europe there are many years where new US cars cold not be bought new through regular channels in Europe. Same with European cars. I think it's been about 44 years since Opel-branded cars were sold in the US (although some rebadged Opels have been sold - badly - from time to time)(had two Opels which were great indestructible cars), and almost 30 years since Peugeots could be bought new here, Alfa Romeos just returned after a 30+ years absence, Lancia's went away in the last 70s/early 80s, etc.

All that said, I don't think that Sir Elton John was in the market for a Camaro anyways.

If I won the lottery, many of my collection would be European dream cars, including the real "hybrids" such as AC Cobras, Jensen Interceptors, deTomaso Panteras, Monteverdis, etc. Hybrids as in European-American mashups.

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Opels were called mini-Corvettes.

https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/mini...-1973-opel-gt/

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Originally Posted by RatDog
Opels were called mini-Corvettes.

https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/mini...-1973-opel-gt/

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Opel GTs, that is. Fun little cars - emphasis on little. The 1.9L engines were the little engine that could(n't) but tried. The manual headlights would give you a workout and were not popular with little girls.

The Opels for the masses, Cadets, etc., were cheap and reliable. The 1900 series, including the Manta's were actually decent cars. Had a couple of 1900 2-door sport wagons, the last, a 1975, was the fuel-injected model and was a great car, but last year for the regularly imported Opels (sold through Buick dealers).
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Originally Posted by Dan Hampton
Brits? Scots? From the land that created Jaguar and Aston Martin? What's not to like?
Two of the loveliest brands ever, Dan! An XKD is my dream car.
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Originally Posted by alexandervdr
Road&Track magazine compared both in 1963! Here is the interesting read https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...on-track-1963/
Thanks for this link, Alexander. I hadn't seen it before.

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