Replacing clutch 1963 fuelie
#141
Good afternoon,
It appears from reading and watching I should be able to remove the transmission, bellhousing, pp, clutch while leaving the engine in place. Is this correct?
I have searched a few threads but haven't seen anyone post details. Is there a thread created for this project? If so could someone send my way. I search all sorts of ways but can't find anything thanks
All the bolts appear to be accessible. Any tips tricks to share? Does the pilot bearing need a special pull tool? I have my car raised up securely on 4 jack stands and will be able to support the engine once the tranny mount is removed.
As always thanks for the help.
It appears from reading and watching I should be able to remove the transmission, bellhousing, pp, clutch while leaving the engine in place. Is this correct?
I have searched a few threads but haven't seen anyone post details. Is there a thread created for this project? If so could someone send my way. I search all sorts of ways but can't find anything thanks
All the bolts appear to be accessible. Any tips tricks to share? Does the pilot bearing need a special pull tool? I have my car raised up securely on 4 jack stands and will be able to support the engine once the tranny mount is removed.
As always thanks for the help.
That is correct. I replaced two clutches in my life. One in a 1991 Z/28 and one in my 1966 Corvette. Both were done on jacks stands while laying on my back on the floor. Just dropped the transmission and removed the bell housing. I'm not looking forward to ever doing that again.
#142
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good morning gents,
Tranny is up in the tunnel, looks like I have good clearance. I went to torque down pressure plate and the disc is different than original. The pressure plate looks exact. The new disc is 10", old disc is 10.5" Old disc still has plenty of meat on it. The new disc has an additional width to the input that goes on the shaft. On the flywheel side of the old disc there is an additional 3/8 metal shaft extension than on the new disc photo below. Question , would it be ok to use my existing disc seeing there is still life left and has it has this extra shaft input 3/8?
Photo of the old disc left to new disc right, lots of material still left on the old disc.
photo of the extra 3/8' on the old disc flywheel side, new disc below doesn't have this.
Tranny is up in the tunnel, looks like I have good clearance. I went to torque down pressure plate and the disc is different than original. The pressure plate looks exact. The new disc is 10", old disc is 10.5" Old disc still has plenty of meat on it. The new disc has an additional width to the input that goes on the shaft. On the flywheel side of the old disc there is an additional 3/8 metal shaft extension than on the new disc photo below. Question , would it be ok to use my existing disc seeing there is still life left and has it has this extra shaft input 3/8?
Photo of the old disc left to new disc right, lots of material still left on the old disc.
photo of the extra 3/8' on the old disc flywheel side, new disc below doesn't have this.
#143
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Wow - that's a can of worms. I don't believe I've heard of a true 10" clutch in a Corvette - at least a V8 one. Can you post the model number of the clutch you purchased and confirm the manufacturer. I agree old disc has lots of meat on it but it may be contaminated or glazed and although glaze can be broken up with some 120 sandpaper - using it with a the new pressure plate may not work considering the center and different diameter. Are the pressure plate diameters the same on the old and new clutch?
#144
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Well, I guess it shows what I don't know but seems Corvettes up through 64 used a 10" clutch. I would use the disc that came with it. The shorter hub on the disc shouldn't be an issue as it can have a little wobble. It's the flatness of the flywheel and pressure plate faces and the uniform movement of the pressure plate disc as the clutch is released that are mostly responsible for smooth operation. At least as long as the disc is flat.
Strange the pressure plate you took out of it seems to be the same as the new one but it had a larger disc with it.
Strange the pressure plate you took out of it seems to be the same as the new one but it had a larger disc with it.
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'64 Corvettes came from the factory with 10.4" clutch. Same thing with GM service replacements.
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Hi Dan,
Below are photos of the old setup and new. you can see the old setup covers the entire area of pp.
Old disc
New disc
pressure plate is the same. So will a smaller disc be an issue. I could always buy another disc if needed.
Thanks
Below are photos of the old setup and new. you can see the old setup covers the entire area of pp.
Old disc
New disc
pressure plate is the same. So will a smaller disc be an issue. I could always buy another disc if needed.
Thanks
Last edited by rscone11; 07-01-2019 at 09:23 PM.
#148
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Very strange - you might want to consider buying a 10.4" disc but the cost of the new disc will probably be nearly as much as the entire kit was. But for fuel injected motor I would prefer the greater friction area.
I have to say if it were my car I would return that and buy a McLeod or RAM clutch or even a LUX. I saw that SACH kit for sale as low as $110 in a Google search. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for.
I have to say if it were my car I would return that and buy a McLeod or RAM clutch or even a LUX. I saw that SACH kit for sale as low as $110 in a Google search. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for.
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I think Sach's listing is incorrect for your car. Send it back and get a clutch for '65-'68.
http://www.canadawideparts.com/downl...cation2014.pdf
1675-10.
I saw a couple of listings for other Chevrolet products where the replacement clutch size was misleading or incorrect as well.
http://www.canadawideparts.com/downl...cation2014.pdf
1675-10.
I saw a couple of listings for other Chevrolet products where the replacement clutch size was misleading or incorrect as well.
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Wow - that's a can of worms. I don't believe I've heard of a true 10" clutch in a Corvette - at least a V8 one. Can you post the model number of the clutch you purchased and confirm the manufacturer. I agree old disc has lots of meat on it but it may be contaminated or glazed and although glaze can be broken up with some 120 sandpaper - using it with a the new pressure plate may not work considering the center and different diameter. Are the pressure plate diameters the same on the old and new clutch?
Very strange - you might want to consider buying a 10.4" disc but the cost of the new disc will probably be nearly as much as the entire kit was. But for fuel injected motor I would prefer the greater friction area.
I have to say if it were my car I would return that and buy a McLeod or RAM clutch or even a LUX. I saw that SACH kit for sale as low as $110 in a Google search. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for.
I have to say if it were my car I would return that and buy a McLeod or RAM clutch or even a LUX. I saw that SACH kit for sale as low as $110 in a Google search. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for.
#151
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I think Sach's listing is incorrect for your car. Send it back and get a clutch for '65-'68.
http://www.canadawideparts.com/downl...cation2014.pdf
1675-10.
I saw a couple of listings for other Chevrolet products where the replacement clutch size was misleading or incorrect as well.
http://www.canadawideparts.com/downl...cation2014.pdf
1675-10.
I saw a couple of listings for other Chevrolet products where the replacement clutch size was misleading or incorrect as well.
#152
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What are you doing with the flywheel - machining it or replacing it?
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#154
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Do you have a dial indicator and magnetic base? I would check it for runout once it's bolted back on the crank. If you don't have them they can be bought pretty economically at Harbor Freight. It is also useful in checking your bell housing to make sure runout of the bearing retainer register based on the crank is within .006".
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#155
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Hi Mike, tried to send you a PM but says you have full mail box. Would like some photos of the side hardware you used on the engine pull. Also how is the clutch linkage Z bar removed? All the other disconnects are straight forward, hoses, electrical, airbox, fuel line, mounts, exhaust. etc. I am not yet ready to move the engine but prepare to do so if needed. should know this evening if this is going together smoothly. Thanks. I can send you my email if needed.
Thanks
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Good morning,
Someone commented they have an original transmission spline I could borrow but I cannot find that post. If you have one I could borrow I would return once I have this completed. Thanks
Someone commented they have an original transmission spline I could borrow but I cannot find that post. If you have one I could borrow I would return once I have this completed. Thanks
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[img]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Mike%20Mckown/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/1963%20Corvette/Corvette%20engine%20change%20001.jpg[/img][img]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Mike%20Mckown/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/1963%20Corvette/Corvette%20engine%20change%20001.jpg[/img][img]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Mike%20Mckown/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/1963%20Corvette/Corvette%20engine%20change%20001.jpg[/img]I just tried to download some pictures to this forum. Won't work on this computer. It downloads to 90% then stops. I have no idea why. I'm just a button pusher.
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If you can't see the pictures, I don't have any more buttons here I can push.
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If you can see the pictures, notice the longer manifold bolt that's holding a very short sleeve that let's the engine rotate up/down with force applied from a thumb and index finger. Very easy. Good way to make an engine change easy.
If you can't see the pictures, I don't have any more buttons here I can push.
[img]CID:{BB6B20A5-2EBA-4911-91C2-E9938F15A2F5}/Corvette engine change 014.jpg
[img]cid:6C49C2E5A02F43269C9FA3A14463EF9A@D29 24V31
[img]CID:{E90F1156-60F8-4E58-B417-0CC1EF284507}/Corvette engine change 002.jpg
If you can't see the pictures, I don't have any more buttons here I can push.
[img]CID:{BB6B20A5-2EBA-4911-91C2-E9938F15A2F5}/Corvette engine change 014.jpg
[img]cid:6C49C2E5A02F43269C9FA3A14463EF9A@D29 24V31
[img]CID:{E90F1156-60F8-4E58-B417-0CC1EF284507}/Corvette engine change 002.jpg
could you try to email them to me at. rscone at sbcglobal dot net