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Old Jul 26, 2013 | 11:35 AM
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what is the correct color/sheen for the frame and A-arms etc.. semigloss, semiflat??
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Frame, A-arms, and other "components" are semi-gloss black. This is also used for engine compartment 'components': air cleaner, A/C compressor, fan, etc.

Semi-flat black [or satin black] is used as black-out paint on engine compartment surfaces, inside wheelwells, all of the black interior trim, and any exterior trim surfaces that are painted black.
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Frame, A-arms, and other "components" are semi-gloss black. This is also used for engine compartment 'components': air cleaner, A/C compressor, fan, etc.

Semi-flat black [or satin black] is used as black-out paint on engine compartment surfaces, inside wheelwells, all of the black interior trim, and any exterior trim surfaces that are painted black.
7T1vette, or anyone else, do you have a brand and color that you would recommend? I had heard that Eastwood's Extreme Chassis black was very close for frame color. I took a sample I had sprayed weeks ago to the NCRS convention and it did not match well at all to the frames there.
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1981 production at St. Louis here: http://corvetteactioncenter.com/gall...assembly-plant

Thumb through and check the various shades of black.

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1981 production at St. Louis here: http://corvetteactioncenter.com/gall...assembly-plant

Thumb through and check the various shades of black.

I'm confused Mike. Are you recommending that people reference photos from 1981 and color match to these photos for the correct sheen?

Personally, I was looking for a suggestion, like DDL 9300.
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Hi djhp,
The appearance of the frame depends a bit on the year of the car. I believe for 68-69 it was an asphalt based coating, while in 70 and later years, the coating was enamel based. Semi-gloss to semi-flat.... maybe/often both on the same frame!
I believe that often the a-arms and the trailing arms were a bit shinier than the chassis. I think this has to do more with the method used to apply the paint than the paint itself.
Many people like the gloss level of Krylon #1613, not #51613.
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Originally Posted by tjhphoto
what is the correct color/sheen for the frame and A-arms etc.. semigloss, semiflat??
A couple of us spent some time at the NCRS national in Hampton studying the dozen or so chassis that were displayed as part of a tech session and I can't say there was much consistency from one chasis to the next. I concluded its more important to have contrast in sheen.

7Ts suggestion is what is typically described for frame versus other components. But even semi-gloss on the frame seemed to have too much sheen in contrast to other components.

Frame, A-arms, and other "components" are semi-gloss black. This is also used for engine compartment 'components': air cleaner, A/C compressor, fan, etc.

Semi-flat black [or satin black] is used as black-out paint on engine compartment surfaces, inside wheelwells, all of the black interior trim, and any exterior trim surfaces that are painted black.
Alan's photo of the frame color is pretty close but probably more importantly is the contrast with other components such as frame. Also, rather than mix I think it might be best to stick with a particular system such as Eastwood so you achieve the contrast.

So here are a couple of shots of chassis from the NCRS Display. Note the gloss on the A arm in contrast to the frame.

chassis front

chassis rear

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Originally Posted by hunt4cleanair
A couple of us spent some time at the NCRS national in Hampton studying the dozen or so chassis that were displayed as part of a tech session and I can't say there was much consistency from one chasis to the next. I concluded its more important to have contrast in sheen.

7Ts suggestion is what is typically described for frame versus other components. But even semi-gloss on the frame seemed to have too much sheen in contrast to other components.



Alan's photo of the frame color is pretty close but probably more importantly is the contrast with other components such as frame. Also, rather than mix I think it might be best to stick with a particular system such as Eastwood so you achieve the contrast.

So here are a couple of shots of chassis from the NCRS Display. Note the gloss on the A arm in contrast to the frame.

chassis front

chassis rear
Hi Tom,

I spent about an hour an a half with the '73 frame making notes, and noticed the contrast between the gloss of the control arms and frame was hardly distinguishable. On the other frames, specifically the C2 frame, I noticed a big contrast in the gloss of the control arms compared to the frame (control arms were very noticeably glossier than the frame).

Here is a single shot of a control arm. Depth of field makes the frame blurry as I was focusing solely on the control arm.


Also, were you in this massed group judging training?

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Originally Posted by LeMans Pete
I spent about an hour an a half with the '73 frame making notes, and noticed the contrast between the gloss of the control arms and frame was hardly distinguishable. On the other frames, specifically the C2 frame, I noticed a big contrast in the gloss of the control arms compared to the frame (control arms were very noticeably glossier than the frame).
You make the point well. I thought the C2 much more typical. My shots were of the C2.

Here is a single shot of a control arm. Depth of field makes the frame blurry as I was focusing solely on the control arm.
That's a nice photo and captures the contrast better than my photo. I had a "teacher" showing me how to better use my camera to capture the contrast.

Also, were you in this massed group judging training?
I was using the 1700 mile Pace Car on the lift for an advanced judging seminar when it was taking place but I'm sure it was good. What did the lead coordinator say about the variety of chassis'?

PS: I'll look for a good chassis shot of the Pace Car that illustrates the sheen of the frame. It looked like it had been cleaned but still had a nice color and sheen to it. It passed Bowtie with very high scores.

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Originally Posted by LeMans Pete
Hi Tom,

I spent about an hour an a half with the '73 frame making notes, and noticed the contrast between the gloss of the control arms and frame was hardly distinguishable. On the other frames, specifically the C2 frame, I noticed a big contrast in the gloss of the control arms compared to the frame (control arms were very noticeably glossier than the frame).

Here is a single shot of a control arm. Depth of field makes the frame blurry as I was focusing solely on the control arm.


Also, were you in this massed group judging training?
Those alignment shims are not doing anything useful where they are now. They need to be between the cross shaft and the frame.
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