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Old 10-31-2017, 12:34 PM
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Been having some great weather in the Northwest this week. Took the 67 out for a quick ride to grab some coffee. The kid at Starbucks says, I know old cars are bad for the environment, but they sure are cool. Typical millennial. I told the kid that with unregulated factory's belching toxic fumes into the atmosphere my Vette is no threat. Are there still people out there that are blaming old cars for global warming.? Am I being irresponsible by only driving old Chevrolet's.?
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the air wasted my millenials is worse than any old car; generation of "help me out bro" is disgusting.
Why get a jobwhen they can make $ on FB YT living with mommy?

now get off my lawn!

$20 of gas gets me 20 min of run time, reeks & love every minute of it.

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The kid must be too dumb to get on at Boeing
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Millenials believe what they`ve been told....
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Tell the kid that the engines on Al Gore's jet are belching more carbon into the upper atmosphere on one flight than your old car will exhaust at street level during it's entire lifetime.
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Tell the kid that the engines on Al Gore's jet are belching more carbon into the upper atmosphere on one flight than your old car will exhaust at street level during it's entire lifetime.
And that a third of the "zero emission" electric cars are actually powered by COAL!!
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Tell the kid that the engines on Al Gore's jet are belching more carbon into the upper atmosphere on one flight than your old car will exhaust at street level during it's entire lifetime.
Been there... that's when you see that stoned over look on their face, like what?

Maybe 6-7 years ago I had a lady once at Costco while I was pumping gas into my H3 (no longer have it but loved that SUV) make some crazy comment about how tough it must be with the price of gas that it was (about $4/gal at the time) considering how bad the gas mileage was on my H3. She was trying to be all snotty with it based on her tone.

My response was, "About the same, if not a little better than your minivan. I'm actually averaging around 17-19 mpg". The look on her face was priceless, then I put the nozzle back on the pump, got in my H3 and drove off.
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I actually ask them which cars they think are best-typical answer usually e-cars. I then ask them if they had looked into the CO2 clouds being produced by manufacturing batteries - and of course they have not;then I ask them if they know where most raw materials for batteries comes from ! Of course they do not know. Then I detail the track the raw material makes from Canada to China to India to Japan and US during conversion to a battery-Then I ask the last question: Isn't a Corvette better to buy??
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And that a third of the "zero emission" electric cars are actually powered by COAL!!
While that's true in some cases, even when the electricity charging an electric car comes from a coal fired power plant the large scale production of electricity this way is more efficient than the burning of gasoline in a car such that even when you take into account this source of electricity for an electric car its CO2 and other emissions are lower than that of a regular gasoline powered car.

I sometimes feel guilty about driving an old car that pollutes a great deal more than a new car but given that I only drive my old car perhaps a few hundred miles a year it probably puts less total pollution in the air than the average Prius driver given that the average American drives around 20,000 miles a year.

Further, I read some years ago (it may be somewhat different now) that half the CO2 a new car is responsible for in its lifetime is created by the manufacturing of the car itself. So, if you drive an old car very little rather than buying a new car you're pretty far ahead on the CO2 game right off the bat.

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While that's true in some cases, even when the electricity charging an electric car comes from a coal fired power plant the large scale production of electricity this way is more efficient than the burning of gasoline in a car such that even when you take into account this source of electricity for an electric car its CO2 and other emissions are lower than that of a regular gasoline powered car.
Large scale production might be efficient-

BUT not after you take in to account the transferring of the energy's losses...

From coal to electricity- high voltage AC to low voltage AC then to DC to charge the batteries.. Then from the batteries DC it's converted back to AC to run the motor(s)...PLUS all the power used to carry the heavy batteries around in your car... AND when it's cold out you have to heat the batteries ...too hot out you have to cool the batteries...

Not really efficient at ALL...

NOT even taken in consideration ALL the energy consumed in the production of the batteries...AND the nasty process of recycling the used/spent batteries...
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Large scale production might be efficient-

BUT not after you take in to account the transferring of the energy's losses...

From coal to electricity- high voltage AC to low voltage AC then to DC to charge the batteries.. Then from the batteries DC it's converted back to AC to run the motor(s)...PLUS all the power used to carry the heavy batteries around in your car... AND when it's cold out you have to heat the batteries ...too hot out you have to cool the batteries...

Not really efficient at ALL...
I've read that taking all that into account an electric car using electricity from a coal fired power plant still creates less CO2 and other pollutants than a traditional gasoline car. Seeing as I don't have a source of that information to you, you're welcome to disbelieve that as you choose. I on the other hand believe what I've read.
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Blame it on cow farts.
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Now I'm forced to say the "C" word! Slap tw0/2 modern mini-Cats on that dual exhaust C3 and the exhaust will clean up nicely (along with a proper tune-up)

Been there......it worked on my 350 carbed street rod!

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I on the other hand believe what I've read.
OK- read Fox news then MSNBC....
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Seeing as I don't have a source of that information to you, you're welcome to disbelieve that as you choose. I on the other hand believe what I've read.
"The ONLY thing I`m sure of...is that I`m not sure of anything".
I`ve read a lot too. But I don`t believe much of it. Especially if it was written by somebody who is pushing an agenda. Facts, figures, and studies can prove ANYTHING if you pay the "researchers" enough in grant money. I bet I could even find a study to prove the world really IS flat.
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Screw millennials and all they believe in. Nothing but hypocritical crybabies, following supposed leaders whose agenda is hypocritical. If these types believe what they are concerned about, they need to stand up for and do not drive cars, do not consume any products made by environmentally dangerous things, do not fly airplanes, and go out in the wild and live off the land. Oh.....sorry, forgot, they can't get out of mommy and dads basement to get a job, so they certainly don't know how to survive in the wild.

Unfortunately, all the hard working people in America have made it possible for these punks to vote to ruin all that we have enjoyed,....including our cars.
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Some of you might be interested in this youtube video which asks the question "ARE ELECTRIC CARS REALLY GREEN?" it's a real eye opener.
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I'd like to see a comparison using hydroelectric power vice coal. The shoe would be on the other foot.
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Originally Posted by Gold Dragon View Post
Been having some great weather in the Northwest this week. Took the 67 out for a quick ride to grab some coffee. The kid at Starbucks says, I know old cars are bad for the environment, but they sure are cool. Typical millennial. I told the kid that with unregulated factory's belching toxic fumes into the atmosphere my Vette is no threat. Are there still people out there that are blaming old cars for global warming.? Am I being irresponsible by only driving old Chevrolet's.?
So, you seek approval from millennials at Starbucks?
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One thing I can tell you with 100% certainty-- My old Vette, running 110 octane LEADED fuel, smells much better than a late model catalytic convertor equipped whatever.

As far as the climate change BS- who can say that we are not in the middle of a 1000 year cycle where the planet gets warmer and then cools down? And I'll guarantee that anyone that believes in global warming has never worked on an airport ramp in Michigan in January.
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