It's a numbers match motor, so what?
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It's a numbers match motor, so what?
So once I pulled the 350 from my 77 L48, and removed about 14" of greasy mud, I can see it's a number matching block. I was going to either put a crate motor in, or have a newer single piece rear main seal L98 sitting in my dad's barn built. Now I don't know. I just don't know.
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Iike that idea. I spent so much time individually cleaning parts as they came out of the car and then the engine compartment, wires, etc. I want the next motor to not leak like a stuck pig. It's a big pet peeves of mine. Seems the newer one piece rear seal motors leak less when sealed right to begin with.
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They produced a lot of 77's and didn't give them much horsepower which makes them not as collectible as older Corvettes with more horsepower. I think you should do whatever you feel will give you the most enjoyment out of the car. You might save the original engine in case someone in the future wanted to restore the car.
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Iike that idea. I spent so much time individually cleaning parts as they came out of the car and then the engine compartment, wires, etc. I want the next motor to not leak like a stuck pig. It's a big pet peeves of mine. Seems the newer one piece rear seal motors leak less when sealed right to begin with.
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They produced a lot of 77's and didn't give them much horsepower which makes them not as collectible as older Corvettes with more horsepower. I think you should do whatever you feel will give you the most enjoyment out of the car. You might save the original engine in case someone in the future wanted to restore the car.
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Numbers matching means nothing to me,
I bought my 69 to drive and enjoy i invest in things with better return than c3s,
What a future buyer wants is a them problem,
While a 427 435 would be a sweet engine to own again i dont care if it came in my car or i bought the engine yesterday from a parts car,
A 77 350 stock would only be sweet in my world as perhaps a daily driver for my wife,
If you have the space save the old engine if its all sentimental to you because it came in the car,
Get you a new engine of the hp you desire and have fun....
I bought my 69 to drive and enjoy i invest in things with better return than c3s,
What a future buyer wants is a them problem,
While a 427 435 would be a sweet engine to own again i dont care if it came in my car or i bought the engine yesterday from a parts car,
A 77 350 stock would only be sweet in my world as perhaps a daily driver for my wife,
If you have the space save the old engine if its all sentimental to you because it came in the car,
Get you a new engine of the hp you desire and have fun....
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I'm personally building the engine up out of my 75 L48, even though it's numbers matching. I decided to do this because I will never sell the car, ever. It's a project I'm doing with my Dad and I'll be holding onto it. If I could offer one piece of advice before/if you build that one it would be to research the head numbers extensively. There were several casting numbers for the car each year and some of them, well, suck. Good luck!
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If it were me, I would go with a crate built from base pan up to carb. The only value the L-48 has is its number matching stamp. But like Bats, I couldn't care less about that.
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Numbers matching is important to everyone during a sales transaction. If the numbers matching components are available at the time of sale, the potential buyer can't use that to beat you down on price. After that, they are not particularly important.
Those heads are not considered valuable for actual performance in any way. They are as low as they go. My opinion is they are the first and most important thing to set aside and improve on during a renovation.
Those heads are not considered valuable for actual performance in any way. They are as low as they go. My opinion is they are the first and most important thing to set aside and improve on during a renovation.
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Numbers matching is important to everyone during a sales transaction. If the numbers matching components are available at the time of sale, the potential buyer can't use that to beat you down on price. After that, they are not particularly important.
Those heads are not considered valuable for actual performance in any way. They are as low as they go. My opinion is they are the first and most important thing to set aside and improve on during a renovation.
Those heads are not considered valuable for actual performance in any way. They are as low as they go. My opinion is they are the first and most important thing to set aside and improve on during a renovation.
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Possibly, but I really think you underestimate how little it matters to many of us. If the engine is far better than stock, then that's where the value is to I (and I think many others) who couldn't give a rats *** about the numbers. I've owned my car 2.5 years, and still haven't bothered checking if the engine that was in it (isn't now!) is numbers matching. ...Does anyone try to beat down LS swaps for not being numbers matching?:rofl:
Before tina found our 69 i almost bought a 75 as my only must was convertible,
And i cant fathom anyone who would rather have the anemic stock 75 engine over the 502 in that car and anyone who would try to beat that seller over a nom 502 would just be braying as far as im concerned....
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I am going to build a numbers-matching 454 75 convert with chrome bumpers both ends. The number on the hood will match the number on top of the air filter...
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Your car, do it the way you want it. Value of numbers matching engine will only be to a buyer in the future if you decide to sell it, in my opinion. I am putting a 383 Stroker in the 77 I bought and I have given away the 77 original engine to another forum member to build and have fun with.
What really matters is that you have fun with it, simple as that in my book.
Make sure to post your new motor build, we love to follow along.
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What really matters is that you have fun with it, simple as that in my book.
Make sure to post your new motor build, we love to follow along.
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I wanted a car with the born with engine. My car has the original drive train. I feel it is at least a $10,000 value over a NOM. So to some it does matter. But I do not look down on NOM cars or modded cars, and in certain cars a nice well built better than stock engine is the better value.
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There is nothing 'special' about the engine being the one actually built with the car.... IF the rest of the car has been highly altered or modified.
When you find a car that has the original engine AND trans AND engine accessories AND drivetrain AND interior..... then you have a survivor. And if that is all in good condition, then you can start asking for premium money. Just because the engine is the one that the car was built with...not so much. Folks will appreciate having that feature, but they won't pay extra for it.
When you find a car that has the original engine AND trans AND engine accessories AND drivetrain AND interior..... then you have a survivor. And if that is all in good condition, then you can start asking for premium money. Just because the engine is the one that the car was built with...not so much. Folks will appreciate having that feature, but they won't pay extra for it.
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There is nothing 'special' about the engine being the one actually built with the car.... IF the rest of the car has been highly altered or modified.
When you find a car that has the original engine AND trans AND engine accessories AND drivetrain AND interior..... then you have a survivor. And if that is all in good condition, then you can start asking for premium money. Just because the engine is the one that the car was built with...not so much. Folks will appreciate having that feature, but they won't pay extra for it.
When you find a car that has the original engine AND trans AND engine accessories AND drivetrain AND interior..... then you have a survivor. And if that is all in good condition, then you can start asking for premium money. Just because the engine is the one that the car was built with...not so much. Folks will appreciate having that feature, but they won't pay extra for it.
The criteria you list to justify premium money is going to have buyers lining up for oh say a 68 69 70 to 72 bb convertible survivor ( needing restored) or almost any chromie where ( sadly ) a 74 to 82 base model survivor no matter how orginal is going to have such a low "premium" money that its not even something many buyers/sellers consider....i see those poor cars get called basketcase, junk, worthless here and would be buyers told to run...weird how two c3s in the same condition can be so many worlds apart in interest and value....and worse, respect.
But some cat grabs a 74 75 76 77? Builds a modest restomod and the cars value is more than it would be restored in stock configuration and the market is larger...
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