C3 General General C3 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

How do C3 convertibles fare in accidents?

Old 12-09-2017, 12:15 PM
  #1  
Docbrock
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
Docbrock's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 26,604
Received 444 Likes on 218 Posts

Default How do C3 convertibles fare in accidents?

There is a link in CFOT https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ter-crash.html where a Porsche Speedster got in a pretty bad wreck, killing passenger and severely injuring the driver. My instant thought was... well, that's just a VW bug pan and some steel doors, no wonder they had such a bad outcome.

Then I got thinking, the C3 has pretty much the same safety features, lap belt, no air bags, and fiberglass doors.

Kinda scary to think of what a Sunday afternoon cruise may end up in.
Old 12-09-2017, 12:51 PM
  #2  
Alan 71
Team Owner
 
Alan 71's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Westminster Maryland
Posts: 30,173
Likes: 0
Received 2,878 Likes on 2,515 Posts

Default

Hi DB,
I think you know!
We're talking about a 45 year old car with a collapsable steering column and lap and shoulder belts.... and that's it. (Slightly later cars grew side impact beams in the doors.)
A pretty serious frame helps, but anything with any height to it comes over the frame and into the driver's lap.
Regards,
Alan

The 2 door, 2 seat car I regularly drive has..."Driver and passenger advanced dual-stage airbags, knee airbags, front thorax side airbags and Sideguard® head curtain airbags." I guess I'd rather be bouncing around the interior of that car than my Corvette.

Last edited by Alan 71; 12-09-2017 at 02:59 PM.
Old 12-09-2017, 12:55 PM
  #3  
doorgunner
Nam Labrat

Support Corvetteforum!
 
doorgunner's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2013
Location: New Orleans Loo-z-anna
Posts: 33,881
Received 4,153 Likes on 2,726 Posts

Default

For the non-purist daily driver......100lbs of well place hidden steel will greatly improve the safety of a C3.


Last edited by doorgunner; 12-09-2017 at 12:56 PM.
Old 12-09-2017, 01:13 PM
  #4  
v2racing
Melting Slicks
 
v2racing's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: Spring Park MN
Posts: 2,666
Received 287 Likes on 236 Posts

Default

I think our corvettes are only slightly better than motorcycles as far as safety goes. Being someone who has ridden motorcycle all his life starting as a teen in the 60's, I believe yourself is going to make the difference of living or dying. I believe 100% in defensive driving. I'm scanning around me at all times watching for others trying to take me out. I think it's the only reason I'm still here.

Mike
Old 12-09-2017, 02:19 PM
  #5  
pigfarmer
Burning Brakes
 
pigfarmer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2016
Location: Dutchess county New York
Posts: 750
Received 295 Likes on 158 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by v2racing
I think our corvettes are only slightly better than motorcycles as far as safety goes. Being someone who has ridden motorcycle all his life starting as a teen in the 60's, I believe yourself is going to make the difference of living or dying. I believe 100% in defensive driving. I'm scanning around me at all times watching for others trying to take me out. I think it's the only reason I'm still here.

Mike
Old 12-09-2017, 03:13 PM
  #6  
Docbrock
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
Docbrock's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 26,604
Received 444 Likes on 218 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by v2racing
I think our corvettes are only slightly better than motorcycles as far as safety goes. Being someone who has ridden motorcycle all his life starting as a teen in the 60's, I believe yourself is going to make the difference of living or dying. I believe 100% in defensive driving. I'm scanning around me at all times watching for others trying to take me out. I think it's the only reason I'm still here.

Mike
I drive my C3 like a grandma. I too spent 100k plus miles riding motorcycles, as I didn't own a car for many years while in college. My C3's brakes are.... not as good as modern brakes, so I leave plenty of distance around me for stopping.

None of those safety minded habits will save me from a stoned asian woman driver.
Old 12-09-2017, 03:21 PM
  #7  
derekderek
Race Director
 
derekderek's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2015
Location: SW Florida.
Posts: 13,020
Received 3,387 Likes on 2,632 Posts
Default

The better than motorcycles in one way. People in cars can actually see it. They don't ignore it and drive into the spot that the motorcycle is filling. It seems like every single time I got on the motorcycle, somebody in a car tried to kill me. And if I needed more than two and a half feet of width they would have succeeded.
The following users liked this post:
PainfullySlow (12-10-2017)
Old 12-09-2017, 03:25 PM
  #8  
71 Green 454
Le Mans Master
 
71 Green 454's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2006
Location: Tampa Florida
Posts: 6,145
Received 1,186 Likes on 650 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Alan 71
Hi DB,
I think you know!
We're talking about a 45 year old car with a collapsable steering column and lap and shoulder belts.... and that's it. (Slightly later cars grew side impact beams in the doors.)
A pretty serious frame helps, but anything with any height to it comes over the frame and into the driver's lap.
Regards,
Alan

The 2 door, 2 seat car I regularly drive has..."Driver and passenger advanced dual-stage airbags, knee airbags, front thorax side airbags and Sideguard® head curtain airbags." I guess I'd rather be bouncing around the interior of that car than my Corvette.
Hi Alan, did your '71 come with lap and shoulder belts? Mine only has the lap belts.
Old 12-09-2017, 05:42 PM
  #9  
mkdesign
Instructor
 
mkdesign's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: Lake Country British Columbia
Posts: 181
Received 64 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Docbrock
I drive my C3 like a grandma. I too spent 100k plus miles riding motorcycles, as I didn't own a car for many years while in college. My C3's brakes are.... not as good as modern brakes, so I leave plenty of distance around me for stopping.

None of those safety minded habits will save me from a stoned asian woman driver.
Stoned, Asian woman driver? Sorry dude but I thought were beyond bigoted and narrow-minded comments such as this.
The following 2 users liked this post by mkdesign:
phatt (12-12-2017), shok (12-13-2017)
Old 12-09-2017, 05:45 PM
  #10  
Docbrock
Team Owner
Thread Starter
 
Docbrock's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 26,604
Received 444 Likes on 218 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mkdesign
Stoned, Asian woman driver? Sorry dude but I thought were beyond bigoted and narrow-minded comments such as this.
Did you read the linked story? The woman who killed the person in the Porsche was Asian, stoned. I was referring to that. And btw, chill out.

Last edited by Docbrock; 12-09-2017 at 05:46 PM. Reason: spelling
Old 12-09-2017, 06:06 PM
  #11  
mkdesign
Instructor
 
mkdesign's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: Lake Country British Columbia
Posts: 181
Received 64 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Drunk or stoned...it doesn't matter. If a person gets behind the wheel when they are impaired they are fools, no matter who they are. That is the point that counts.
Old 12-09-2017, 06:18 PM
  #12  
pigfarmer
Burning Brakes
 
pigfarmer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2016
Location: Dutchess county New York
Posts: 750
Received 295 Likes on 158 Posts
Default ouch

These lap belts just make it easier for the ambulance driver to find the body – or the bottom half anyway. The best safety device out there bar none is situational awareness. Motorcyclists (I am one) understand this – the old ones anyway. Loud pipes do not save lives. Being aware does.

I have 30+ years of driving service trucks at all hours, in any weather all over NY and CT. Quite a lot of it in Manhattan, the Bronx, Queens, and Long Island. It’s a free for all and even in vehicles covered with reflective decals you would think I have my Cloaking Device activated. It’s like the lines on the road are mere suggestions for sissies or somebody else. I automatically look much further down the road than most and always keep track of who is around me in case of the need for a sudden lane change. I was able to lessen the effect of being rear-ended at over 70mph my seeing it coming even if I had nowhere to go. And if that isn’t enough there’s deer, raccoons and once a gigantic goddamned OWL. Big f***ing OWL…… scared me to death.

I gave up road cycling because of cell phones. Too many people distracted by complete bullshit anymore; idle cit chat, texting, watching goddamned movies. Had a very close call that just told me to hang it up after 20+ years.

Our C3s sit down very low and aren’t always the most visible. I don’t drive like Granny but in a car where your precious *** is quite vulnerable I have a healthy respect and hope to never have to rely on that old car to protect me. Or my wife.

I gotta go knock on some wood or something……
Old 12-09-2017, 06:41 PM
  #13  
mkdesign
Instructor
 
mkdesign's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: Lake Country British Columbia
Posts: 181
Received 64 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by pigfarmer
These lap belts just make it easier for the ambulance driver to find the body – or the bottom half anyway. The best safety device out there bar none is situational awareness. Motorcyclists (I am one) understand this – the old ones anyway. Loud pipes do not save lives. Being aware does.

I have 30+ years of driving service trucks at all hours, in any weather all over NY and CT. Quite a lot of it in Manhattan, the Bronx, Queens, and Long Island. It’s a free for all and even in vehicles covered with reflective decals you would think I have my Cloaking Device activated. It’s like the lines on the road are mere suggestions for sissies or somebody else. I automatically look much further down the road than most and always keep track of who is around me in case of the need for a sudden lane change. I was able to lessen the effect of being rear-ended at over 70mph my seeing it coming even if I had nowhere to go. And if that isn’t enough there’s deer, raccoons and once a gigantic goddamned OWL. Big f***ing OWL…… scared me to death.

I gave up road cycling because of cell phones. Too many people distracted by complete bullshit anymore; idle cit chat, texting, watching goddamned movies. Had a very close call that just told me to hang it up after 20+ years.

Our C3s sit down very low and aren’t always the most visible. I don’t drive like Granny but in a car where your precious *** is quite vulnerable I have a healthy respect and hope to never have to rely on that old car to protect me. Or my wife.

I gotta go knock on some wood or something……
I completely agree with you. Late this summer I hit a deer that was very determined to get to the other side of the road. He, unfortunately, didn't make it and caused close to $8000 damage to my little Dodge truck. Thankfully we weren't in my 'vert as I would imagine that we would have been dealing with the consequences of the animal coming through the windshield. I rarely drive my Vette late into the evening so I hope that I'm lessening my chances of an encounter with a drunk driver but it would appear that distracted driving (cell phones and electronic gimics in cars) is making daytime driving riskier.
Old 12-09-2017, 07:04 PM
  #14  
GTR1999
Tech Contributor
 
GTR1999's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 1999
Location: Connecticut, USA
Posts: 14,285
Received 2,597 Likes on 1,330 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by pigfarmer
These lap belts just make it easier for the ambulance driver to find the body – or the bottom half anyway. The best safety device out there bar none is situational awareness. Motorcyclists (I am one) understand this – the old ones anyway. Loud pipes do not save lives. Being aware does.

I have 30+ years of driving service trucks at all hours, in any weather all over NY and CT. Quite a lot of it in Manhattan, the Bronx, Queens, and Long Island. It’s a free for all and even in vehicles covered with reflective decals you would think I have my Cloaking Device activated. It’s like the lines on the road are mere suggestions for sissies or somebody else. I automatically look much further down the road than most and always keep track of who is around me in case of the need for a sudden lane change. I was able to lessen the effect of being rear-ended at over 70mph my seeing it coming even if I had nowhere to go. And if that isn’t enough there’s deer, raccoons and once a gigantic goddamned OWL. Big f***ing OWL…… scared me to death.


I gotta go knock on some wood or something……
While I never drive into NYC, I used to be a service tech covering CT & western Ma and drivers in our area are bad. The roads are now overloaded on every major highway around here much more so then 10+ years ago which is a surprise given the amount of people and business that have left this area due to high costs of living and taxes.

When I take my 72 out I go to the back roads away from the morons on the main roads. I don't know what it is when I get into main road traffic but I find people tailgating me, running stop signs, or just plain cutting in front of me. I am going the speed limits for the road and conditions so I don't know if they don't see me, are trying to see the car closer, or are just on their cell phone- most likely the problem. My son's 75 was totaled by a pizza kid running a stop sign and taking off the nose, even though my son had the right of way and tried to avoid him the kid paid no attention and we later heard he was bragging at his pizza store how he took out a corvette.

To answer the question of how these cars hold up- impossible to say. My son was not injured but the car was wrecked, years ago my buddy had his 71's rear quarter panel ripped off by a hit and run, another buddy with a 69 couple slammed gears right into telephone pole pushing the engine & trans into the passenger seat- he walked away, another guy from many years ago ran his 62 into a fire hydrant causing little damage to the vette but it pushed the solid steering box and column into his chest and was dead in the car.
Old 12-09-2017, 08:36 PM
  #15  
Sunstroked
Melting Slicks
 
Sunstroked's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2006
Location: S Nevada
Posts: 2,071
Received 146 Likes on 114 Posts

Default

I own 2 street bikes, and ride them often, the Corvette is slightly better. But....its best not to think about it. Just enjoy your life.
Old 12-09-2017, 08:47 PM
  #16  
mrvette
Team Owner
 
mrvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Orange Park Florida
Posts: 65,310
Received 223 Likes on 204 Posts

Default

Put it this way....My first car was a '60 vette in '66.......lost it in a wreck....tail assed light.....

had an '87, but not comfy for me.....sold and bought my '72 vert here now.....

had more wrecks with it PARKED!!!! than on the road in the last 22 years.....serious....

NOW, my wife/family have lost THREE vehicles to illegals in the last 5 years......WIFE got rear ended on our shopping drag...3 lanes each way...at 45 mph while stopped at a traffic light.....'99 Escort.....

she in my '72 vette and the gas tank would have killed her......

and I would have killed the driver behind her....

CASE CLOSED.......
Old 12-09-2017, 10:14 PM
  #17  
Priya
Le Mans Master
 
Priya's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2009
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
Posts: 6,397
Received 640 Likes on 463 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Docbrock
None of those safety minded habits will save me from a stoned asian woman driver.
Its nice to hear someone with a more realistic attitude. I hear so many people saying they are in no danger driving because they are such a great driver. The reality is regardless of how good a driver you are, even if you never make a mistake you can't account for what other drivers do.

As far as the Corvette goes, I always thought it would be a disaster in a car accident due to the flimsiness of the fiberglass body but the C3's I've seen in accidents have generally done quite a bit better than I would have expected. I.E. the passenger compartment has been intact despite severe front or rear damage.

Get notified of new replies

To How do C3 convertibles fare in accidents?

Old 12-10-2017, 12:20 AM
  #18  
Crimson Thunder
Burning Brakes
 
Crimson Thunder's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Doctors Inlet Florida
Posts: 1,035
Received 444 Likes on 272 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 71 Green 454
Hi Alan, did your '71 come with lap and shoulder belts? Mine only has the lap belts.
Shoulder belts were an option in convertibles and standard in t-top cars. My convertible has only lap belts.
Old 12-10-2017, 12:35 AM
  #19  
H P Bushrod
Moderator

 
H P Bushrod's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2002
Location: Maryville Tn
Posts: 46,071
Received 109 Likes on 84 Posts
CI 5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Veteran
St. Jude Donor '09-'10-'11-12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17-‘18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23
NCM Sinkhole Donor


Default

Originally Posted by Sunstroked
I own 2 street bikes, and ride them often, the Corvette is slightly better. But....its best not to think about it. Just enjoy your life.
When your number's up, It doesn't matter if you're in a Mack truck...time to die.
Old 12-10-2017, 01:18 AM
  #20  
Priya
Le Mans Master
 
Priya's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2009
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
Posts: 6,397
Received 640 Likes on 463 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by H P Bushrod
When your number's up, It doesn't matter if you're in a Mack truck...time to die.

Uhhhhh.... No.

Your number is far less likely to be up if you're driving a Mack truck than if you're driving a BMW Isetta.

Last edited by Priya; 12-10-2017 at 01:22 AM.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: How do C3 convertibles fare in accidents?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:21 PM.