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Old Jul 5, 2020 | 07:56 PM
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I would like a little advice and input on a problem I can't seem to resolve.Over the years I have purchased 5 repro oil gauges that last from 3/4 of a mile to about 1 or 2 years,then crap out.I'm tired of spending 60 to 70 dollars each and ripping apart the dash to replace them.The vette (69) is only driven a few hundred miles a year so the vendor won't replace them.I won't mention the vendor as they are a sponsor here.I know they are all made in China so one vendor sells the same crap as another,this vendor does sell some parts made in America and gives you an option which I always choice the one made here.This part does not have that option.So I feel I have about 3 options,1,find a NOS part,how do I distinguish a NOS part from a repro. part,and I would appreciate a source.2,A good used original part,iffy but it has to be a better choice than a repro,a good reputable vendor would also be appreciated, and 3rd a quality after market gauge that would fit my console without modification.I have an old gauge that I use when the repros. stop working but I have to hang it under the dash till I replace the repros.Thank you in advance Mike
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Old Jul 5, 2020 | 09:20 PM
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Do you retain an OE gage; one that might be rebuildable ?
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Old Jul 6, 2020 | 12:08 AM
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What is that is failing with these gauges? Have you taken them apart to troubleshoot the issue?
You could probably buy a rebuilt original through an NCRS-type restorer.
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Do you have a stock direct-reading oil pressure gauge (with oil pressure line feeding the mechanical gauge)? Or do you have and electric gauge, oil pressure sending unit on the engine block, and wiring between?
For a stock, mechanical gauge, they are VERY reliable and should last 50 years, if not damaged or over-pressured. The issues with this 'system' are related to the plastic (or metal) oil pressure line having a blockage and the fittings at each end sealing well.
For an electric gauge, they are also reliable. Although they can be damaged with power spikes or accidental electrical shorts. The issues with the electrical gauge system are the poor quality of aftermarket sending units and the potential for wiring/connector corrosion and/or wiring failures.

If you have the stock mechanical gauge, I would guess that you have a blockage/plug in your pressure line. There is no way to prove that or resolve that without opening up the center gauge bezel far enough to remove the line from the gauge. If you do that, you can also remove the other end of the line from its fitting, then blow thru the line to determine if there is a blockage problem. If it is resistant to allow air flow, then you need to clear the line by using some pressurized air (10-30 psi) to clear the line completely. I suggest that you blow FROM the gauge end of the line and TO the engine end to prevent splatter in your interior. This issue could have been your problem all along.
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After losing some 5 -6 op gages over course of a few years / few thousand miles; perhaps the root cause isn't in either line or gage ?

Over-pressure was mentioned; perhaps the Bypass Valve inside Oil Pump is sticking open and permitting oil pressure spikes ?

Which, in turn and in & of itself, can cause gage failure.
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Do you retain an OE gage; one that might be rebuildable ?
The oem oil gauge was taken out probably 20 years ago and I did not think to save it,my bad
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I would guess that you have a blockage/plug in your pressure line. There is no way to prove that or resolve that without opening up the center gauge bezel far enough to remove the line from the gauge. If you do that, you can also remove the other end of the line from its fitting, then blow thru the line to determine if there is a blockage problem. If it is resistant to allow air flow, then you need to clear the line by using some pressurized air (10-30 psi) to clear the line completely. I suggest that you blow FROM the gauge end of the line and TO the engine end to prevent splatter in your interior. This issue could have been your problem all along.
I'd suggest that if you are getting to this point, replacing the line is a prudent step unless you know for sure it is a relatively new replacement already. The plastic used in the oil line gets brittle with age and the last thing you want is to have it unknowingly snap when you're putting everything back together! Replacement line is cheap and pretty easy to route if you tie the new to the old and pull it through the firewall.
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Hey Blue, some bad luck for sure. Sounds like you still have a mechanical type gauge and, if so, I would look in the FS parts section of the forum, or post a WTB, and purchase a OEM gauge from a forum member. The mechanical gauges are very reliable and (hopefully) you can trust a forum member - especially one who has been around for a while - to sell you a working gauge. You can get a new line/fittings from the forum vendors - I don't recommend reusing the old compression sleeves but that's just me.

The ammeter wasn't working on our '68 when we bought it. I didn't know what the problem was but purchased a used ammeter from a forum member several months ago. Finally got around to taking the gauges out a few weeks back and followed Ernie's instructions on how to check it. The one in the car checked bad, the one I bought from a forum member checked good - installed and and it works perfectly.

Your luck will change!
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Thank you for your responses,I'll try answer your questions as to why I think it's just the gauges.One would read low when I had the engine built so after talking to the engine builder he suggested changing the gauge,that worked out perfectly giving me an acceptable pressure at idle(30 to 35 at idle,depending on hot or cold) and good at higher rpm,around 55 to 60 (stock oil pump) then (maybe a couple yrs,you lose track of time after awhile) the next one a couple years,the one after then it would stop at 35lbs no matter the rpms.the next one about a 1/2 to 3/4 mile then just stopped going up. I put an after market gauge in and it has worked perfectly for 2 or 3 years till I decided to put in another repro in dash ,which lasted 6 months and goes low at an idle(about 20psi) and only goes to 35psi at about 3000rpm's.Since it so easy to put the after market one under the dash I;ll do that this week to make sure it's the gauge.Thanks for the tip about blowing out the line but I've changed that but I'll do it again. It's a mechanical gauge. If I still have an issue I'll check the bypass valve.It just seems to me that a $20.00 aftermarket gauge could work so perfectly for so long without an issue and the repos fail so often. Once again ,thanks for you ideas. Mike
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Originally Posted by Hopper12
Hey Blue, some bad luck for sure. Sounds like you still have a mechanical type gauge and, if so, I would look in the FS parts section of the forum, or post a WTB, and purchase a OEM gauge from a forum member. The mechanical gauges are very reliable and (hopefully) you can trust a forum member - especially one who has been around for a while - to sell you a working gauge. You can get a new line/fittings from the forum vendors - I don't recommend reusing the old compression sleeves but that's just me.

The ammeter wasn't working on our '68 when we bought it. I didn't know what the problem was but purchased a used ammeter from a forum member several months ago. Finally got around to taking the gauges out a few weeks back and followed Ernie's instructions on how to check it. The one in the car checked bad, the one I bought from a forum member checked good - installed and and it works perfectly.

Your luck will change!
thanks that is one of my options,maybe I should do that anyway even if I go another route,can't hurt to have an extra gauge or two.Mike
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One more thing,how do you tell a oem gauge from a repro?
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