FS: 1969 435 smog system
#2
Melting Slicks
It has some very big issues. The pulley is a repro. The stamp number on the pulley should be on the inside. It looks like both the diverted and pump have been restamped. I am sure the tubes are repro as well. Not worth half what he is asking. If you want looks but not authenticity this would be a nice set to buy, for about $400-500.
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#3
Burning Brakes
Sometimes replies are not worth the time to write them, But...
the pulley does have the stamp toward the pump. The picture of the stamp was taken with the parts not assembled. If you looked at the assembled picture it is obvious to someone who actually looks. The pump and diverter came from good sources and stamps on pumps are in most cases poorly done. I have a "perfect" stamped pump and it is a fake. I believe only that diverter has that Tee hose fitting. IF you actually read the listing, it is written that the tubes, diverter plate, hoses, pulley Are reproduction. As far as the value, using a Corvette supplier, the cost of the tubes, pulley, brackets, diverter plate and hoses Alone will cost around 700. to buy. Good luck with your estimate.
the pulley does have the stamp toward the pump. The picture of the stamp was taken with the parts not assembled. If you looked at the assembled picture it is obvious to someone who actually looks. The pump and diverter came from good sources and stamps on pumps are in most cases poorly done. I have a "perfect" stamped pump and it is a fake. I believe only that diverter has that Tee hose fitting. IF you actually read the listing, it is written that the tubes, diverter plate, hoses, pulley Are reproduction. As far as the value, using a Corvette supplier, the cost of the tubes, pulley, brackets, diverter plate and hoses Alone will cost around 700. to buy. Good luck with your estimate.
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#4
Melting Slicks
I know what you mean by replying, but:
With all due respect. That pulley stamp is on the back? Don’t think so. That is the front. The back looks much different. Changes the estimate a little, by about maybe $300. And he DID mention it’s not the real pulley but it’s not reproduced correctly. All the repros are stamped wrong that you see online.
With all due respect. That pulley stamp is on the back? Don’t think so. That is the front. The back looks much different. Changes the estimate a little, by about maybe $300. And he DID mention it’s not the real pulley but it’s not reproduced correctly. All the repros are stamped wrong that you see online.
Last edited by ed427vette; 01-17-2021 at 04:41 PM.
#5
Melting Slicks
This is what a real pulley looks like. I also have about 10 complete 1969 systems and am somewhat familiar with what they should look like including all the stamps. That pump is a bad restamp. I guess you have an invested interest in this guys sale? Otherwise why would you be so clearly upset that I’m calling out a system that is WAY overpriced? If you don’t agree that’s fine. I have no dog in this fight. I am more concerned about a member buying it and thinking he got something he didn’t. But you might be correct in the pricing being a bit higher, but I would expect to pay that asking price for a more original set up. I guess I’ve gotten lucky when I bought the ones I did.
This side faces the pump and has the numbers as well as the letter S.
This side faces out and should not have the numbers but as you can see on the pic of the set up in question, this side is where they stamped them. There was someone a few years ago that was making very nice repros but I haven’t seen them in years.
This side faces the pump and has the numbers as well as the letter S.
This side faces out and should not have the numbers but as you can see on the pic of the set up in question, this side is where they stamped them. There was someone a few years ago that was making very nice repros but I haven’t seen them in years.
Last edited by ed427vette; 01-17-2021 at 05:10 PM.
#6
Burning Brakes
I don't claim to know everything, but I do know a little. That system is for sale by me. I agreed not to list a system here since someone claimed I was a parts dealer. The price is very fair based on what is included.
So you have 10 original 522 pullies! Impressive. Only 3 in my pile.
So you have 10 original 522 pullies! Impressive. Only 3 in my pile.
#7
Melting Slicks
Alright. I didn’t know. And I did not mean to pick on your parts. Maybe the repro parts ARE expensive. If that is the case then I DID get lucky.....and I only collect for 1969 bb.
yeah, I’ve been collecting a long time....too long. It’s kinda cold today but I’ll try to get in there to take some pics. Just getting the pulley chilled me to the bone. I have at least 10 setups for big blocks but not for the tripower. I have 2 original tripower adapter plates. Hardest piece to get original. There is a nice repro on eBay but I don’t feel like spending 250 for it. I don’t really need it. So I guess that piece alone is worth what it’s worth. I have lots of pumps. Early and late style black brackets, 29298 diverters are mostly the later type. The early type with the tucked in muffler is extremely difficult to find. I only have two corvettes...Everthing is for “just in case” I get another car without a system.
Hey, I hope it sells. It looks real nice.
and btw nice collection....mine are not as clean for sure
yeah, I’ve been collecting a long time....too long. It’s kinda cold today but I’ll try to get in there to take some pics. Just getting the pulley chilled me to the bone. I have at least 10 setups for big blocks but not for the tripower. I have 2 original tripower adapter plates. Hardest piece to get original. There is a nice repro on eBay but I don’t feel like spending 250 for it. I don’t really need it. So I guess that piece alone is worth what it’s worth. I have lots of pumps. Early and late style black brackets, 29298 diverters are mostly the later type. The early type with the tucked in muffler is extremely difficult to find. I only have two corvettes...Everthing is for “just in case” I get another car without a system.
Hey, I hope it sells. It looks real nice.
and btw nice collection....mine are not as clean for sure
Last edited by ed427vette; 01-17-2021 at 05:34 PM.
#8
Burning Brakes
My last comment on this. Most everything I accumulated is for small blocks. I met an owner who wanted a 435 system. I put together most of the parts, but he couldn't wait any longer. So, I figured the only way to chase my money was to buy the remaining parts and make it complete. I have slightly over 1000. in what you see there. The reproduction parts are expensive and no gives away good used parts cheap. (the original as that pulley and diverter plate are over the top). The characteristics of that diverter seem to be unique; vacuum tube location, hose tee, etc. I am familiar with the differences of the early one; the muffler, body along with the welded V. There is no other that is similar and the stamp looks spot on with 427King's diverter on ebay. Small block diverters like 29199, 29196, 29295 are all similar with only the stamp separating them.
#9
Im in search of a 69 427 smog system, can someone assist me with parts for sale ?.....I have this SB pump, turns freely and is complete, what is it worth to the right guy ?
Last edited by F2 Speedy; 01-29-2021 at 10:54 AM.
#10
Le Mans Master
I do not think there is a difference between a SB and BB pump itself. If I am wrong someone please correct me. First thing we need to know in order to offer any help is to knoe what engine setup you have (tri-power?).
What is the date on the pump you have? BB smog used different diverter valves, pullies, and tubes but I am pretty sure the pump was the same. With that said, 68 and earlier 69 ( especially BB) used a somewhat different pump in that it had a relief valve cast into it.
In the case of a tri-power, an extra bracket is needed to mount ,( turn) the diverter valve. Also, all early c3s had a white filter ( fan) on the pump.
So, what is the date on the pump? What is the part # on the diverter and pulley?
What is the date on the pump you have? BB smog used different diverter valves, pullies, and tubes but I am pretty sure the pump was the same. With that said, 68 and earlier 69 ( especially BB) used a somewhat different pump in that it had a relief valve cast into it.
In the case of a tri-power, an extra bracket is needed to mount ,( turn) the diverter valve. Also, all early c3s had a white filter ( fan) on the pump.
So, what is the date on the pump? What is the part # on the diverter and pulley?
#12
Le Mans Master
The pulley is a very common 116. Not really worth much ( there are 15$ pullies and 500$ pullies depending on the part#).
The diverter valve part # is not the one you posted. The part # is stamped (not raised #s) into the flange. Look real hard for stamped in #s. Should start with the #2 ( ie. 29199)
The diverter valve part # is not the one you posted. The part # is stamped (not raised #s) into the flange. Look real hard for stamped in #s. Should start with the #2 ( ie. 29199)
#13
everything Ive posted came off the same pump, so I dont get what you mean buy saying..........( The diverter valve part # is not the one you posted )
Edit: I reread your post, Ill look for the other #
thanks
Edit: I reread your post, Ill look for the other #
thanks
Last edited by F2 Speedy; 01-29-2021 at 08:42 PM.