C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

What's the difference between a hydraulic roller cam and a solid roller cam?

Old 05-31-2006, 07:03 PM
  #1  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default What's the difference between a hydraulic roller cam and a solid roller cam?

I want to change out my lifters on my small block to solid ones so I can rev my motor higher. I wasn't thinking I would want to turn it higher than 6500 when I first built but now I do. What are the differences between a solid rolelr cam and a hydraulic roller cam?
Old 05-31-2006, 07:16 PM
  #2  
MotorHead
Race Director
 
MotorHead's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Location: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Posts: 17,569
Received 156 Likes on 126 Posts

Default

A solid roller cam lets you rev past 6500
Old 05-31-2006, 07:18 PM
  #3  
Little Mouse
Le Mans Master
 
Little Mouse's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,396
Received 94 Likes on 81 Posts

Default

Go with a solid roller for over 6500 rpm
Old 05-31-2006, 07:31 PM
  #4  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I know that. But can I change out the lifters without changing the cam?
Old 05-31-2006, 07:38 PM
  #5  
C3 Stroker
Safety Car
 
C3 Stroker's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: Youngstown Ohio
Posts: 3,807
Received 608 Likes on 403 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Socket Head Bolt
I know that. But can I change out the lifters without changing the cam?
....You mean solid lifters on your hyd. cam?....No.
Old 05-31-2006, 07:39 PM
  #6  
Oldguard 7
Melting Slicks
 
Oldguard 7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2002
Location: Norfolk VA
Posts: 2,337
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Socket Head Bolt
I know that. But can I change out the lifters without changing the cam?
i'm assuming either you have a hydraulic flat tappet cam or a hyd roller cam.

There was an article in a 2004 chevy performance in which an engine was dynoed with a sr cam and hr lifters. I guess it can be done however, magazines do tend to inflate claims.
Old 05-31-2006, 07:52 PM
  #7  
Little Mouse
Le Mans Master
 
Little Mouse's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,396
Received 94 Likes on 81 Posts

Default

Your hydraulic roller would have to have a lower duration profiile
to work with the hydraulic lifters, without more duration you are
not going to get into the upper power range you are looking for.
you may be able to rev it a little more but it wont be making any
power

Last edited by Little Mouse; 05-31-2006 at 07:56 PM.
Old 05-31-2006, 08:00 PM
  #8  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have 235* duration and .550 lift. It's kind of small. I want to put around .650 lift cam with 270* duration in my next 350.
Old 05-31-2006, 08:05 PM
  #9  
Gordonm
Race Director
 
Gordonm's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Forked River NJ
Posts: 19,592
Received 754 Likes on 464 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Socket Head Bolt
I have 235* duration and .550 lift. It's kind of small. I want to put around .650 lift cam with 270* duration in my next 350.
Unless you are racing only a cam with 270 @ .050 is going to be a real dog in a street 350
Old 05-31-2006, 08:07 PM
  #10  
MotorHead
Race Director
 
MotorHead's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Location: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Posts: 17,569
Received 156 Likes on 126 Posts

Default

You can run solid rollers on a hydraulic roller cam but I would not go the other way around.
Old 05-31-2006, 08:11 PM
  #11  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Gordonm
Unless you are racing only a cam with 270 @ .050 is going to be a real dog in a street 350
Yes I mostly race this car.

So what do you guys think about running my present cam with solid lifters?
Old 05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
  #12  
Little Mouse
Le Mans Master
 
Little Mouse's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,396
Received 94 Likes on 81 Posts

Default

Sockect head bolt High lift and high duration cams make things
harder on the valve springs. dont buy a cam with 650 lift unless
you have a head that is still flowing air to 650 lift and most 23
degree heads wont flow air at that lift. all you will be doing is making it harder on your vavle springs with no benefit.
Old 05-31-2006, 08:13 PM
  #13  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Little Mouse
Sockect head bolt High lift and high duration cams make things
harder on the valve springs. dont buy a cam with 650 lift unless
you have a head that is still flowing air to 650 lift and most 23
degree heads wont flow air at that lift. all you will be doing is making it harder on your vavle springs with no benefit.
I was thinking about picking up some 18* race heads. It won't be for awile though. Im more worried about converting to solid lifters in this engine.
Old 05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
  #14  
Gordonm
Race Director
 
Gordonm's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Forked River NJ
Posts: 19,592
Received 754 Likes on 464 Posts

Default

What cam do you presently have. Is it a hyd flat tappet or a hyd roller cam. Going to solid lifters is no problem but match the cam lifters and springs. Trying to save a few bucks when you are goingto be turning an engine at high rpm is a sure way to blow it up. What is your short block combo?
Old 05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
  #15  
Little Mouse
Le Mans Master
 
Little Mouse's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,396
Received 94 Likes on 81 Posts

Default

Brodix makes an 18 degree head called the 18X that is raised
runner uses standard lifters ( no offset lifters needed ) and you can
run the same rockers as any 23 degree head. Most 18 degree heads
have big runners for a 350 sized motor.

Last edited by Little Mouse; 05-31-2006 at 08:29 PM.
Old 05-31-2006, 08:31 PM
  #16  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Gordonm
What cam do you presently have. Is it a hyd flat tappet or a hyd roller cam. Going to solid lifters is no problem but match the cam lifters and springs. Trying to save a few bucks when you are goingto be turning an engine at high rpm is a sure way to blow it up. What is your short block combo?
My present set-up is match for the cam lift and it's a hyd roller cam. My motor is fine right now but I don't want to go over 6500 with the hyd roller.

My bottom end consits of mahle pistons, eagle h-beam rods, and a steel crank.
Old 05-31-2006, 09:37 PM
  #17  
jeckel
Instructor
 
jeckel's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: Florence NJ
Posts: 168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I tried to run h rollers on a solid roller cam in a Digital TPI 383 Stroker motor I dropped in a s-15 jimmy. When I rw dynoed it, the power ratings plain old sucked! I shoul;d of had 650+ hp but only wound up with around 425. I later on changed the heads out and swapped the h rollers for solid rollers. Now the thing has 696 hp to the rear wheels.

In short the h rollers killed the power on the soild roller cam.

Get notified of new replies

To What's the difference between a hydraulic roller cam and a solid roller cam?

Old 05-31-2006, 09:39 PM
  #18  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jeckel
I tried to run h rollers on a solid roller cam in a Digital TPI 383 Stroker motor I dropped in a s-15 jimmy. When I rw dynoed it, the power ratings plain old sucked! I shoul;d of had 650+ hp but only wound up with around 425. I later on changed the heads out and swapped the h rollers for solid rollers. Now the thing has 696 hp to the rear wheels.

In short the h rollers killed the power on the soild roller cam.
Ok but I want to the opposite.
Old 05-31-2006, 09:44 PM
  #19  
jeckel
Instructor
 
jeckel's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: Florence NJ
Posts: 168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

It can be done, but IMHO you will not see the full potential of your motor.
Old 05-31-2006, 09:50 PM
  #20  
Socket Head Bolt
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Socket Head Bolt's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: South Africa
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jeckel
It can be done, but IMHO you will not see the full potential of your motor.
Im not seeing the full potential of it right now. It starts to pull good at about 5500 and I can only rev it up to 6500.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: What's the difference between a hydraulic roller cam and a solid roller cam?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:51 PM.