Crane vs comp - 110 vs 112 LS
#1
Le Mans Master
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Crane vs comp - 110 vs 112 LS
I narrowed my search down to three camshafts that (I think) are a good fit for my sb.
Here's the specs:
383 stroker sb, forged pistons with 18cc dish and 64cc heads - 9.7:1CR
Here's the cams:
Comp Cams CS XR276HR-10
224/230 dur@.050" and .502/.510" lift 110LS
Comp Cams CS XR282HR-10
230/236 dur@.050" and .510/.520 lift 110 LS
Crane powermax #119831
222/230 dur@.050" and .509"/.528" lift 112LS
I am leaning towards the XR282 but I've read that 112 LS is preferred by many members - maybe the Crane cam is the better choice ?
My heads maximum lift is advertized at .575" but I'd like to stay well below that.
EDIT:
The trans is a TKO600 and the rear end ratio is 3.55
Here's the specs:
383 stroker sb, forged pistons with 18cc dish and 64cc heads - 9.7:1CR
Here's the cams:
Comp Cams CS XR276HR-10
224/230 dur@.050" and .502/.510" lift 110LS
Comp Cams CS XR282HR-10
230/236 dur@.050" and .510/.520 lift 110 LS
Crane powermax #119831
222/230 dur@.050" and .509"/.528" lift 112LS
I am leaning towards the XR282 but I've read that 112 LS is preferred by many members - maybe the Crane cam is the better choice ?
My heads maximum lift is advertized at .575" but I'd like to stay well below that.
EDIT:
The trans is a TKO600 and the rear end ratio is 3.55
Last edited by MYBAD79; 01-07-2007 at 02:25 PM.
#2
Race Director
You can order the 282 with 112 LSA with a 1 day lead time. I like the specs on it the best for your engine. but you should list your trans and rear end ratios to better get a feel for what you really need.
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My vote would be for the XR282. Your 383 will like more duration than you would expect of a 350. I do however prefer a wider lobe center if everything else is equal.
#9
Melting Slicks
If you like the the HR276 its availabel with a 112 LSA....under the marine cams, same specs just a wider LSA. I have the same set up only with a TH400 with 308 rear gear and this is what ordered.
Re the 1 day for custom grinds ...I ordered the marine cam from Summit on 12/22. I was told it would drop ship from Comp on 12/27. Called on 1/3 looking for the cam, told it shipped on 1/2!! Just got an email this weekend that is shipped Friday 1/5......from Ohio....
Mark
Re the 1 day for custom grinds ...I ordered the marine cam from Summit on 12/22. I was told it would drop ship from Comp on 12/27. Called on 1/3 looking for the cam, told it shipped on 1/2!! Just got an email this weekend that is shipped Friday 1/5......from Ohio....
Mark
Last edited by mbeeman350; 01-08-2007 at 08:16 AM.
#10
Team Owner
I used this one on my first 383 and it was nice. I used 1.65 intake rockers and 1.6 exhaust in the solid roller version of this cam. It should be about the biggest cam for a sub 10:1 C/R
Part Number: 119841 Grind Number: HR-296-2S-12 IG
Engine Identification:
Start Yr. End Yr. Make Cyl Description
1957 1987 CHEVROLET 8 ROUGH IDLE, PERFORMANCE USAGE, GOOD MID-RANGE HP, MILD BRACKET RACING, AUTO TRANS W/3000+ CONVERTER, 3800-4600 CRUISE RPM, 10.0 TO 11.5 COMPRESSION RATIO ADVISED. BASIC RPM 3000-6500
Engine Size Configuration
262-400 C.I. V
Valve Setting: Intake .000 Exhaust .000 HOT
Lift: Intake @Cam 359 @Valve 539 All Lifts are based
on zero lash and theoretical rocker arm ratios.
Exhaust @ Cam 372 @Valve 558
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.50
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.004
Lift: Opens Closes ADV Duration
Intake 37.0 BTDC 79.0 ABDC 296.0 °
Exhaust 85.0 BBDC 39.0 ATDC 304.0 °
Spring Requirements: Triple Dual Outer Inner
Part Number 99838
Loads Closed 112 LBS @ 1.650 or 1 21/32
Open 327 LBS @ 1.120
Recommended RPM range with matching components
Minimum RPM 2800
Maximum RPM 6800
Valve Float 7200
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 10.0 BTDC 44.0 ABDC 107 234.0 °
Exhaust 58.0 BBDC 4.0 ATDC 117 242.0 °
Part Number: 119841 Grind Number: HR-296-2S-12 IG
Engine Identification:
Start Yr. End Yr. Make Cyl Description
1957 1987 CHEVROLET 8 ROUGH IDLE, PERFORMANCE USAGE, GOOD MID-RANGE HP, MILD BRACKET RACING, AUTO TRANS W/3000+ CONVERTER, 3800-4600 CRUISE RPM, 10.0 TO 11.5 COMPRESSION RATIO ADVISED. BASIC RPM 3000-6500
Engine Size Configuration
262-400 C.I. V
Valve Setting: Intake .000 Exhaust .000 HOT
Lift: Intake @Cam 359 @Valve 539 All Lifts are based
on zero lash and theoretical rocker arm ratios.
Exhaust @ Cam 372 @Valve 558
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.50
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.004
Lift: Opens Closes ADV Duration
Intake 37.0 BTDC 79.0 ABDC 296.0 °
Exhaust 85.0 BBDC 39.0 ATDC 304.0 °
Spring Requirements: Triple Dual Outer Inner
Part Number 99838
Loads Closed 112 LBS @ 1.650 or 1 21/32
Open 327 LBS @ 1.120
Recommended RPM range with matching components
Minimum RPM 2800
Maximum RPM 6800
Valve Float 7200
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 10.0 BTDC 44.0 ABDC 107 234.0 °
Exhaust 58.0 BBDC 4.0 ATDC 117 242.0 °
Last edited by gkull; 01-07-2007 at 06:53 PM.
#11
Le Mans Master
Comp Cams CS XR276HR-10
224/230 dur@.050" and .502/.510" lift 110LS - Too mild for a 383 for optimum performance.
Comp Cams CS XR282HR-10
230/236 dur@.050" and .510/.520 lift 110 LS - Good all around cam. This would be my choice out of these 3 for sure. Still slightly mild for a stroker though.
Crane powermax #119831 - Too low duration figures for a 383.
222/230 dur@.050" and .509"/.528" lift 112LS
I think a 110 lobe separation is the best for all around use. You'll get a much better "bump" at idle and a good torque curve as well.
Have you checked out the CS XR288HR-10:
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,500-6,000 RPM
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 236 int./242 exh.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.520 int./0.540 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 110
224/230 dur@.050" and .502/.510" lift 110LS - Too mild for a 383 for optimum performance.
Comp Cams CS XR282HR-10
230/236 dur@.050" and .510/.520 lift 110 LS - Good all around cam. This would be my choice out of these 3 for sure. Still slightly mild for a stroker though.
Crane powermax #119831 - Too low duration figures for a 383.
222/230 dur@.050" and .509"/.528" lift 112LS
I think a 110 lobe separation is the best for all around use. You'll get a much better "bump" at idle and a good torque curve as well.
Have you checked out the CS XR288HR-10:
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,500-6,000 RPM
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 236 int./242 exh.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.520 int./0.540 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 110
#12
Team Owner
xr288 is a big cam..biggest i would run on the street in a HR..i have that cam on a 112lsa, and it idles nicely right at 1000rpms, cruises 2000rpms with no problems, and pulls like an animal to 5500-6000rpm max on my AFR195 headed 383....But I think MYBAD79 is going to need more compression and maybe bigger heads to see its potential.
#14
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Thanks everybody, I think I decided on the 282. If they can get it on 112LS that would be preferred but it seems that 110LS is fine too....
The 288 might be a little too much with only 9.7:1 cr but I'm sure it sounds great at idle
I sure want to hear the cam at idle but I also want to be able to cruise at 2000rpm... gotta find a happy medium here, this is not going to be a race car
The 288 might be a little too much with only 9.7:1 cr but I'm sure it sounds great at idle
I sure want to hear the cam at idle but I also want to be able to cruise at 2000rpm... gotta find a happy medium here, this is not going to be a race car
#15
Team Owner
Thanks everybody, I think I decided on the 282. If they can get it on 112LS that would be preferred but it seems that 110LS is fine too....
The 288 might be a little too much with only 9.7:1 cr but I'm sure it sounds great at idle
I sure want to hear the cam at idle but I also want to be able to cruise at 2000rpm... gotta find a happy medium here, this is not going to be a race car
The 288 might be a little too much with only 9.7:1 cr but I'm sure it sounds great at idle
I sure want to hear the cam at idle but I also want to be able to cruise at 2000rpm... gotta find a happy medium here, this is not going to be a race car
#16
Race Director
Thanks everybody, I think I decided on the 282. If they can get it on 112LS that would be preferred but it seems that 110LS is fine too....
The 288 might be a little too much with only 9.7:1 cr but I'm sure it sounds great at idle
I sure want to hear the cam at idle but I also want to be able to cruise at 2000rpm... gotta find a happy medium here, this is not going to be a race car
The 288 might be a little too much with only 9.7:1 cr but I'm sure it sounds great at idle
I sure want to hear the cam at idle but I also want to be able to cruise at 2000rpm... gotta find a happy medium here, this is not going to be a race car
#17
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
It's ordered
I ordered it thru the engine shop that builds my short block. They're installing and degreeing it for a very small extra charge: the cam, OEM style lifters, retainers and hardware, true/double roller timing chain set, thrust plate and 2-piece cover for $540. That's not much more than the parts
I ordered it thru the engine shop that builds my short block. They're installing and degreeing it for a very small extra charge: the cam, OEM style lifters, retainers and hardware, true/double roller timing chain set, thrust plate and 2-piece cover for $540. That's not much more than the parts
#18
Team Owner
It's ordered
I ordered it thru the engine shop that builds my short block. They're installing and degreeing it for a very small extra charge: the cam, OEM style lifters, retainers and hardware, true/double roller timing chain set, thrust plate and 2-piece cover for $540. That's not much more than the parts
I ordered it thru the engine shop that builds my short block. They're installing and degreeing it for a very small extra charge: the cam, OEM style lifters, retainers and hardware, true/double roller timing chain set, thrust plate and 2-piece cover for $540. That's not much more than the parts
#19
Le Mans Master
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