Here is an interesting one for ya
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...2&postcount=51

 

Let's not leave out anything..

""In many ways, the LS7 is a racing engine in a street car," said Dave Muscaro, assistant chief engineer of small-block V-8 for passenger cars."
Anyone on here running a dry sump system on the street? Pretty rare I'd say.
Here's DETAILS on wet sump vs dry sump:

http://www.moroso.com/articles/artic...utOilPans.html

Note: "Other advantages of a dry sump system include increased oil capacity, more consistent oil pressure, the ability to easily add remote coolers, and adjustable oil pressure. And because the pan doesn’t store oil, it can be relatively shallow in depth to allow lower engine placement for improved weight distribution and handling."

So what's next...you wanna go the whole route and install a DRY SUMP SYSTEM? This oil cooler idea is getting more complex and EXPENSIVE the more you guys talk about it.

Dep

 

Oh ...most of you are kids who THINK they are true hot rodders. Most of you DON'T have $10,000 in your WHOLE CAR. You are "fantasizers" who "follow the lead" of a certain person on the forum who comes up with these whacko "neat ideas" because he likes to hear himself talk and likes worship from you kids. You make nutball modifications that AREN'T needed because "it is cool" or because some dweeb who THINKS he's an authority on EVERYTHING Corvette says it's a neat idea.
If you nitwits are racing on the streeet, you are even dumber than I suspected. Next I expect a post endorsiong Turbolator exhaust tips and that turbine gizmo that is on the infomercials that goes in your air cleaner.
THINK ABOUT IT... If the FACTORY didn't need all these "gizmos" on these cars back in the 60's when they were new and HAD hot cams and high compression (as in 12 or 13-1), you DON'T NEED IT NOW when you are running these mild motors with unleaded gas and 3.08 gears and 6 speed transmissions.
Now if you feel the unstoppable need to spend money on this junk...feel free. It's your money to waste as you see fit. But DON'T be dispensing advice to people that they need this junk or their engines will burn up.

Dep

 

I miossed Tom De Witt's follow up post in this thread. This guy KNOWS what he's talking about. he has the experince and he BUILDS these things.

"Durango_boy,

I don't understand why your subject is stated that way because oil coolers are for cooling the OIL, not the Engine. And why do you ask about "external" coolers only and not internal type.

I think the general consensus is that EOC's (internal or external) are not required for everyday driver cars and I will 2nd that conclusion. Engine oil doesn't start to burn until about 260f, and you will never get to that point with mild racing or hard driving. Synthetic oils will even go higher without doing damage to the mineral properties and that's really the only purpose of EOC's. The goal is to protect the oil from getting scortch or burned during very, very hard core racing.

My experience with EOC's is mainly with C5 & C6 racing. These cars are pushed to the limit, and oil temps can exceed 300f without an eoc. When we add the internal eoc to the radiator the oil temps drop 30 degrees or 270ish. This saves the synthetic oil in those cases and I would say the EOC was successful in doing what it was sapposed to do. Waste of money? Not at all.

Would everyone benefit from an EOC? No! Especially the ones that think it is for cooling down the motor. These are not ENGINE coolers, they are engine OIL coolers and that's all they will do."

Case closed

 

Are you always like this?

 

I almost didn't respond to that because you don't seem to catch or understand why I started this poll and I don't feel like instigating anything.

Most people KNOW that an external oil cooler is cheap and easy to install and that they lower the oil temps. That's common among these pages and that's not why I started the poll. External oil coolers do in fact lower oil temp.

My point was to start a discussion about an external oil cooler and if it had effects on engine temp, not oil temp. So far, it seems that they are not NEEDED but that they do affect engine temp. It seems that if you lower the oil temp, and that's the only change you made, the engine temp will follow.

Is it worth the cost or effort? Maybe not for everyone. Does it work? There have been a lot who have done it so far and attest that is will lower the engine's temp.

That was the whole point. I'm not advocating it or preaching this upgrade to every Jack and Jill that wants to perform a cool upgrade to their hotrod. I was just sparking the flow of information from both sides.

 

As a deluded nitwit who has an external oil cooler i have enjoyed the interchange....does it hurt my engine?apparently not,does it make me happy?probably not.....does it cool anything at all?who knows after reading this post......but i've got it anyway......and if you don't want to install one,then don't...john in sunny australia

 

many buy and don't need

 

 

Yes. He crawls out of some hole somewhere and makes life miserable for us for a while before crawling back in.

 

Let's see...this is your SECOND thread about oil coolers, and after authoritative replies from Tom DeWitt on BOTH threads, you still would prefer to belive anecdotal BS from guys who spent the $$$ and now don't want to admit what an oil cooler does and doesn't do. You're right...I have NO idea what the heck you are trying to accomplish.

Norval: Big words from someone with a bolt-in rollbar. Yeah...I didn't forget

Dep

 

I didn't start the other thread, so it's not mine at all. I guess this ISN'T my SECOND thread about oil coolers, but I suppose you already knew that.



Glad to see we are finally on the same page because I would rather get along with you than fight with you. We're on the same side here and we're all car guys.

 

So you would prefer to DISMISS Tom DeWitt's knowlegeable comments based on YEARS of experience BUILDING oil coolers and radiators and believe the anecdotal posted by kids who foolishly bought an oil cooler because some alleged "expert" suggested it and now they don't want to admit they goofed. Ooooookay.

Dep

 

[QUOTE=DJ Dep;1559234292]Let's not leave out anything..

""In many ways, the LS7 is a racing engine in a street car," said Dave Muscaro, assistant chief engineer of small-block V-8 for passenger cars."
Anyone on here running a dry sump system on the street? Pretty rare I'd say.
Here's DETAILS on wet sump vs dry sump:

http://www.moroso.com/articles/artic...utOilPans.html





In a nutshell

 

Why don't you go ahead and read through all the above posts and find for me where I disagreed with Norval. I'm not dismissing anything.

 

Norval????? Where in the world does Mr. Bolt-in come into play????
I was talking about Tom DeWitt. HE is the one that knows his stuff about oil coolers and radiators.

 

noonie: You might get a little more legitimacy and credence to your posts if you posted some info about yourself. Otherwise...this guy comes to mind--------->

Dep

 

Yeah, I know, sorry. I meant Dewitt, not Norval. I read his name right before I posted that. I did mean to check and see where I had disagreed with Tom. I never questioned what he said.

 

But I'm not the one looking for legitimacy and credence




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LOL...I kinda thought it was a goofup
Norval knows his stuff about a lot of things...just not rollbars.

This whole thread/poll seems to be questioning what Tom said. I thought it was pretty clear in the other thread and he clarified it AGAIN in this thread. Tom's post should really have been the final one. All the rest afterwards is just so much filler.

Noonie: Don't worry, you DON'T have either one

Dep