C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

*Can You Install A Non-Lockup Converter In A TH350C?*

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-30-2007, 11:08 PM
  #1  
SILVERSIXX
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
SILVERSIXX's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Oakville Ontario
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default *Can You Install A Non-Lockup Converter In A TH350C?*

Does the replacement converter need to be a lockup or can I just install a non-lockup?

Thanks.
Old 08-31-2007, 12:16 AM
  #2  
7T1vette
Team Owner
 
7T1vette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Crossville TN
Posts: 36,599
Received 2,713 Likes on 2,271 Posts

Default

I believe the early TH350's did not have lockup function, so you should have no problem finding one. If the converter doesn't have the passages there to receive L.U. oil pressure from the valve body, it will just "deadhead" and the tranny shouldn't know the difference. I'm not sure why you'd want to eliminate the L.U. function if you had it to begin with, but....to each his own.
Old 08-31-2007, 12:51 AM
  #3  
sperkins
Le Mans Master
 
sperkins's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Macon, GA
Posts: 9,429
Received 44 Likes on 35 Posts

Default

A non-lockup converter will not work in a TH350C. Ask my buddy 69camfrk how he knows.
Old 08-31-2007, 01:22 AM
  #4  
45ACP
Melting Slicks
 
45ACP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,341
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by sperkins
A non-lockup converter will not work in a TH350C.


But if it will help, you can disable the lock-up function by simply unplugging the wiring harness on the tranny.

DO NOT do this on any tranny other than a THM350C, or you will burn that mother up.
Old 08-31-2007, 08:11 PM
  #5  
bliehr
Instructor
 
bliehr's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

What year C3 had THM350's that lock up?
I thought all thm350 where non locking.
Old 08-31-2007, 08:56 PM
  #6  
45ACP
Melting Slicks
 
45ACP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,341
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by bliehr
What year C3 had THM350's that lock up?
I thought all thm350 where non locking.
'80 and '81.

All THM350's are non-locking.

THM350C's, on the other hand, have lock-up.
Old 09-01-2007, 02:41 PM
  #7  
SILVERSIXX
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
SILVERSIXX's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Oakville Ontario
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Does any company make a converter for the TH350C with a high stall, say 3500?
Old 09-01-2007, 07:27 PM
  #8  
Richard Cooper
Melting Slicks
 
Richard Cooper's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 1999
Location: New Paltz, New York USA
Posts: 2,453
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Guys,
I have a 1981 and would like to disable my lock up because I am changing my motor to a non computer one. How can I tell if my tranny is a THM350 or a THM350C? Thanks.
Old 09-01-2007, 07:35 PM
  #9  
KENS80V
Melting Slicks
 
KENS80V's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2004
Location: Oakbank Manitoba
Posts: 2,658
Received 124 Likes on 102 Posts

Default

If it is the original transmission than it will be a 350C. You can tell easily by looking for the electrical connector on the drivers side of the tranny. I don't believe the lockup function is controlled by the computer on the 1981 Corvettes.
Old 09-01-2007, 11:11 PM
  #10  
bozzman3
Racer
 
bozzman3's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2005
Location: Enfield CT
Posts: 499
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SILVERSIXX
Does any company make a converter for the TH350C with a high stall, say 3500?
Yes Hughes makes them.I purchased there 2500 stall for my 1980.They have one up from that as well.3500 and even 3000 can be a very high stall rate if you do a lot of city driving,but lots of fun at the track
Old 09-01-2007, 11:55 PM
  #11  
guitarcrazy02
Drifting
 
guitarcrazy02's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2007
Location: North Royaton Ohio
Posts: 1,491
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

We need to get Sixfooter in on this. I think he knows...
Old 09-02-2007, 04:22 PM
  #12  
R96IMP
Instructor
 
R96IMP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Location: Henryville Indiana
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

STOP!!!!!
The converters are NOT-repeat NOT interchangable between TH350 and TH 350C.
The TH350C has a 3/4" pilot on the end of the input shaft where the converter slides on and requires a lock up converter design ONLY.
The option is to have the 350C converted to non lock up by changing the input shaft,which requires substantial trans disassembly.
There are hi stall lock up converters for the 350C available as stated in the previous posts.The non lock up converter will not fully engage the splines of a 350C shaft.All you will do si burn the trans up if the car will even move.
About 15 yrs ago my buddy Tim had that problem with a Grand Prix and a 355/350 combo.It drove for about 12 miles and then let go.Metal in the fluid,a loud BANG and the car stopped.Found that problem and the splines all stripped out.OUCH!!!
Old 09-02-2007, 06:50 PM
  #13  
Richard Cooper
Melting Slicks
 
Richard Cooper's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 1999
Location: New Paltz, New York USA
Posts: 2,453
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Kens80v,

I believe the 81 computer does control the lock up converter. I do have an electrical plug on the side of the tranny, does this mean that I have 350C? Thanks.
Old 09-03-2007, 11:01 AM
  #14  
R96IMP
Instructor
 
R96IMP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Location: Henryville Indiana
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Yes,the blue plug on the trans is for the lock up interface withe the early style pcm.The lock up 350C trans also had ribs on the pan where the regular 350s had a smooth pan.I believe they are interchangable,so don't use that as your only guide to id the trans.
Old 09-03-2007, 11:54 AM
  #15  
a1sensei
Melting Slicks
 
a1sensei's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: Orange Park Fl
Posts: 2,429
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Let me save you from yourself. You WANT a lock up converter even if you could use one that does not (better fuel economy, no draw backs, why get rid of that?). The same could be said about the CCC, but I'll resist the temptation to hijack your thread. God bless, Sensei

P.S. Even without the computer, lock up wiring is child's play.
Old 09-03-2007, 09:19 PM
  #16  
Richard Cooper
Melting Slicks
 
Richard Cooper's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 1999
Location: New Paltz, New York USA
Posts: 2,453
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

a1sensei,
can you explain (in detail) how to wire my lock up without the computer? It may be child's play to you and many others, but I su-k at electrical. I have done tons of stuff to my 81, replace body mounts, complete front end, new oil pump, rear main seal, remove and replace gas tank and much more but NO electrical. Thanks for any info. Take care and have a great week.
Old 09-03-2007, 09:41 PM
  #17  
C3 4ME
Le Mans Master
 
C3 4ME's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Glen Allen, VA
Posts: 6,175
Received 429 Likes on 307 Posts

Default

I drove my 81 Z28 for about 15000 miles and the converter didn't lock up becuase the wire was disconnected. I never had a problem with it.

Get notified of new replies

To *Can You Install A Non-Lockup Converter In A TH350C?*

Old 09-03-2007, 10:01 PM
  #18  
surfshark
Pro
 
surfshark's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: James Island South Carolina
Posts: 559
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have a converter that my brother gave me brand new several years ago that the builder supposedly altered it so that it would fit/work on the 350C input shaft yet not have the lock-up function. I plan to install it on my 350C (1980) sometime this month. The odd thing is, the converter was built by an individual, not a known company, so I have to see if I can dig up his phone number. When I got this converter given to me, there were (and probably still are) very few converter options for the 350C. Mine is a 2300 stall. It seems the ones available at the time were either slightly warmer than stock or 3500. The lock-up never made that big a difference in RPMs and I needed more stall. I'll let you know how this works and I'll look for that number. It's worth a shot.
Old 09-03-2007, 10:07 PM
  #19  
surfshark
Pro
 
surfshark's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: James Island South Carolina
Posts: 559
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bozzman3
Yes Hughes makes them.I purchased there 2500 stall for my 1980.They have one up from that as well.3500 and even 3000 can be a very high stall rate if you do a lot of city driving,but lots of fun at the track
I see Summit sells the GM20L (2000PM) and GM25L(2500 RPM). Not bad prices either. Thanks Bozzman.

One thing I'm not sure of, is that I've read that the 350C is not as "strong" as the standard non-lockup 350. Without hijacking this link, can anyone confirm/support this?

Last edited by surfshark; 09-03-2007 at 10:09 PM.
Old 09-04-2007, 06:55 PM
  #20  
SILVERSIXX
Drifting
Thread Starter
 
SILVERSIXX's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Oakville Ontario
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by surfshark
I see Summit sells the GM20L (2000PM) and GM25L(2500 RPM). Not bad prices either. Thanks Bozzman.

One thing I'm not sure of, is that I've read that the 350C is not as "strong" as the standard non-lockup 350. Without hijacking this link, can anyone confirm/support this?


Quick Reply: *Can You Install A Non-Lockup Converter In A TH350C?*



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:09 AM.