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Old 07-09-2016, 12:46 PM
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Apart from the possible mess with oil splashing, which could be eliminated by customising an old valve cover, what's your opinion?

Using roller cam and hydraulic lifters.

Worth doing?
Any advantage?

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I still adjust lash with the engine running although it is hard to hear the clacking over the noise of my side pipes. I just cut up an old valve cover and there is no mess.
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Originally Posted by C3Paul
Apart from the possible mess with oil splashing, which could be eliminated by customising an old valve cover, what's your opinion?

Using roller cam and hydraulic lifters.

Worth doing?
Any advantage?

I use the clips<br/>Bring down slow after clicking stops about 3/4 turn<br/>Wes
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Originally Posted by 530planeman

I use the clips<br/>Bring down slow after clicking stops about 3/4 turn<br/>Wes
I do mine the same way using the clips.
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Originally Posted by 530planeman




I use the clips<br/>Bring down slow after clicking stops about 3/4 turn<br/>Wes
Sorry, what are the clips?
I have never seen them before.
Do you use them with Solid lifters?
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When I was using hydraulic cams I would set the valves cold and then use a cutout valve cover with the engine running for the final adjustment.
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Originally Posted by C3Paul
Sorry, what are the clips?
I have never seen them before.
Do you use them with Solid lifters?
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-1015
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If you have any size solid lifter cam that has any real spring pressure, trying to set them with it running will eat your feeler gauge. It'll just chop divots in it.
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I think adj w/eng running gives me a better feel of when the p-rod can no longer move up & down and just starts to drag. U don't have to figure out if your on the base circle of the cam either.

I have changed to using 1full turn of pre-load now. It actually makes a tiny bit more power due to less plunger travel which in turn takes from the vlv lift. And I never plan to run the motor to high enough rpm for vlv float to occur where a small pre-load like 1\4 or even 1/2 turn would minimize vlv train damage.

Hope this helps - for hyd lifters of course.

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Doing it runing is foolproof

I have a set of feeler gauges I keep around as a laugh someone tried adjusting their solid runniing. Must have fast hands no it dont work.

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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
Doing it runing is foolproof

I have a set of feeler gauges I keep around as a laugh someone tried adjusting their solid runniing. Must have fast hands no it dont work.
Would love to see someone swapping feeler gauges for accurate reading
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I have not since I was a youngster set valves on a running motor. I admit that everybodies feel for the ability to still spin the pushrod is different.

In high performance, higher spring, pressure H flat and H roller motors I adjust hot
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I do my solid lifters cold, motor off. I have an old cap that I cut the center out of to tell where the rotor is pointing. I found a paper that explains how to adjust a 30-30 cam so that you are off the lobe. Its written by John Hinckley and Duke Williams. Very good info. Makes my lifters quiet
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I have always set mine by feel , first cold , then warmed up and adjusted running to 1/2 turn past zero....BTW, you won t need to do them ever again

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Originally Posted by gkull
I have not since I was a youngster set valves on a running motor. I admit that everybodies feel for the ability to still spin the pushrod is different.

In high performance, higher spring, pressure H flat and H roller motors I adjust hot

That's a good point as higher pressure springs may make the "feel" more difficult. But myself I never get into that situation using modest cams and spring. Something to consider though.
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Originally Posted by cardo0
That's a good point as higher pressure springs may make the "feel" more difficult. But myself I never get into that situation using modest cams and spring. Something to consider though.

I had 7200 rpm and running up to 155 pound closed 1.46 diameter springs with 200 cc dart 2.055/1.60 valves ported sportsman iron heads on my 355 L-82 bottom end of course balanced and blue printed
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There's no good reason to set valve lash on a running engine. I've been around racing and racing engines for over 40 years, and I've never once seen a competent race team or engine builder set valves on a running engine. On the dyno, we do an initial cold lash adjustment to get the engine fired up. Once the engine is up to temp, it's shut down, and the lash is set hot on the non-running engine. Once done, it's done. Same process is used for setting lash in the pits on the race cars - we never set lash on a running engine, whether it's hydraulic or solid.

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Old 07-11-2016, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lars
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I've never once seen a competent race team or engine builder set valves on a running engine.
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Well that's the whole point. If you're not used to adjusting valves then do it with the engine running as it can be difficult for us amateurs to find zero lash, especially if people insist on teaching the spinning method instead of the "moving up and down" method.

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