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Old 09-23-2017, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil B
I stopped by the machine shop today and they had bored and honed the block, balanced the crank, hung the pistons, and fit the new rod bolts. Next is to check deck height and deck accordingly.
Dems some big holes! That thing is gonna be a screamer.

You may be on to something with that 244/256...

You gonna dyno it after it’s built?

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Old 09-23-2017, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Dems some big holes! That thing is gonna be a screamer.

You may be on to something with that 244/256...

You gonna dyno it after it’s built?
Yes, it'll go on the dyno before it goes into the car. I'm agonizing over whether or not to port the heads. It'll make plenty of power either way, but I'm sure you know how that goes.
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Awww come on Neil go ahead and port em! You know you will be sorry if you don't. Love the build.
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Originally Posted by Neil B
Yes, it'll go on the dyno before it goes into the car. I'm agonizing over whether or not to port the heads. It'll make plenty of power either way, but I'm sure you know how that goes.

Yes, port them now for sure. You'll regret it later if you don't.

Never have to wonder "what if?"...
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Originally Posted by 69ttop502
Awww come on Neil go ahead and port em! You know you will be sorry if you don't. Love the build.
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Yes, port them now for sure. You'll regret it later if you don't.

Never have to wonder "what if?"...
So true. It's tough to know when to say when.

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Power is always in the heads......


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Old 09-24-2017, 04:07 PM
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It's tough to know when to say when.
When you can look back and say "I did about everything within reason I could to eek power out of it".
Every head out there even the nice cnc'd ones have room for improvement doesnt take much just someone who knows what they are doing.

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Old 09-24-2017, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
When you can look back and say "I did about everything within reason I could to eek power out of it".
Every head out there even the nice cnc'd ones have room for improvement doesnt take much just someone who knows what they are doing.
Ok, you got me there.
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The heads arrived. Good initial impressions. I did a quick snap gauge check on the pinch CSA and got 3.04 sq. in. This should be enough for my 6,500 rpm goal. The CNC'd chambers look good. I can feel a pretty big ridge on the exhaust short side radius where they did the CNC blend. At a minimum, I'm going to disassemble the heads, check seat runout & guide clearance, and hand smooth the CNC bowl blend they did at Brodix. The intake runner port match also has a decent ridge on it. I don't have the intake yet, but if the manifold ports are smaller than the head port with no overlap, I'm probably going to leave the intake runner alone with no additional blending. The intake guides seem crazy long. Does anyone know why Brodix makes them so long? Would I gain anything by cutting them down? I need to pull the valve and check the throat CSA.
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Here are the intake ports.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:24 AM
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id leave the guides alone no real advantge to shortening them; heads look nice. Doing your homework checking ea piece

What intake are you running I musta missed it
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
id leave the guides alone no real advantge to shortening them; heads look nice. Doing your homework checking ea piece

What intake are you running I musta missed it
A Performer RPM is about all that will fit under the L88 hood. I don't think it's a terrible choice in my intended RPM range but I'm open to ideas.
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Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
id leave the guides alone no real advantge to shortening them;
I've never seen any significant gains on the flow bench by shortening them. A longer guide gives the valve more stability and will live longer.

Good idea checking everything over. Just under the seat and the short side radius are the most important areas of the port. Smoothing those areas will help.

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Originally Posted by v2racing
I've never seen any significant gains on the flow bench by shortening them. A longer guide gives the valve more stability and will live longer.

Good idea checking everything over. Just under the seat and the short side radius are the most important areas of the port. Smoothing those areas will help.

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What he better ck is the valve job.
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Originally Posted by Vortecpro
What he better ck is the valve job.
Oh, I agree completely. He said he was going to check seat runout and guide fit though. The seat and valve shapes are the most critical area in a port. I've picked huge flow working these areas without touching the rest of the port in off the shelf top name brand heads on both the intake and the exhaust.

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Originally Posted by Vortecpro
What he better ck is the valve job.
Mark, I've been watching your Youtube videos on this. I'm shocked how these heads are being shipping with .005+ runout. How is that even possible? Are they not cutting the seats by indexing off of the guide? I'm not up to speed on the state of the art in head machining.

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Originally Posted by Neil B
Mark, I've been watching your Youtube videos on this. I'm shocked how these heads are being shipping with .005+ runout. How is that even possible? Are they not cutting the seats by indexing off of the guide? I'm not up to speed on the state of the art in head machining.
You think those are bad? .005 run out bad? Are you prepared to come on here and tell us your results? Get ready to be shocked, Brodix is probably the worst offender out there, and they could care less, You want a long guide for support, it will not effect flow.

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Old 09-27-2017, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil B
Mark, I've been watching your Youtube videos on this. I'm shocked how these heads are being shipping with .005+ runout. How is that even possible? Are they not cutting the seats by indexing off of the guide? I'm not up to speed on the state of the art in head machining.
A head machine, or any machine for that matter, is no better than the person running it.

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Originally Posted by Vortecpro
You think those are bad? .005 run out bad? Are you prepared to come on here and tell us your results? Get ready to be shocked, Brodix is probably the worst offender out there, and they could care less, You want a long guide for support, it will not effect flow.
I would be happy to post my results. If it isn't right, we'll make it right.
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Originally Posted by v2racing
A head machine, or any machine for that matter, is no better than the person running it.

Mike
Agreed. But how does a cutter get that far off center when the pilot is centered in the guide?


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