Temperature gauge reading low?
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I was hoping you would chime in on this one. I agree your adjustable resistor is by far the best solution. It would appear that GM used this as a means of adjusting the operational range of the gauge. Unfortunately I don't think I can spare the time to install it for this driving season, and I'm considering the parallel resistor as an interim fix. I just need to know how much current the resistor needs to be able to withstand. (It would also be helpful to know what resistance value I am aiming for , but again, trial and error will get me there if necessary.)
For one, a gauge reading low... adding resistance on the input wire will only make it read lower...
I've posted what we deem as the required inputs for the 1979 gauge below... but if you look the lower the ohms reading the higher the gauge reading. so adding ohms input on the input wire will only lower the reading further. (and you can see by the required inputs that the gauge is non leaner).
Taking the center cluster out of a 1977-1982 isn't really all that hard... but if you add resistance to the input you're just going to make the gauge read higher.. you can't take resistance out of the the wire...
This is exactly why we made the gauge resistor.
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St. Jude Donor '22
So I did some diagnostics. The gauge reads zero with the sender disconnected and it pegs full field when I ground the sender lead. That tells me the gauge is working, more or less.
I took my IR temperature gun and ohmmeter and read the resistance across the sender at various temperatures as the car was warming up. (I read the temperature at the sender.) Here are some of the values I got.
53 deg. F 4500 ohms
120 deg. F 1400 ohms
160 deg. F 800 ohms
180 deg. F 540 ohms
188 deg. F 440 ohms
At 188 deg. F my gauge in the car reads about 120 which is about 440 ohms.
The only information I could find on what my readings should be was for 68-74. Does anyone know what the resistance values should be for a good sender on a '79?
I took my IR temperature gun and ohmmeter and read the resistance across the sender at various temperatures as the car was warming up. (I read the temperature at the sender.) Here are some of the values I got.
53 deg. F 4500 ohms
120 deg. F 1400 ohms
160 deg. F 800 ohms
180 deg. F 540 ohms
188 deg. F 440 ohms
At 188 deg. F my gauge in the car reads about 120 which is about 440 ohms.
The only information I could find on what my readings should be was for 68-74. Does anyone know what the resistance values should be for a good sender on a '79?
It won't work...
For one, a gauge reading low... adding resistance on the input wire will only make it read lower...
I've posted what we deem as the required inputs for the 1979 gauge below... but if you look the lower the ohms reading the higher the gauge reading. so adding ohms input on the input wire will only lower the reading further. (and you can see by the required inputs that the gauge is non leaner).
Taking the center cluster out of a 1977-1982 isn't really all that hard... but if you add resistance to the input you're just going to make the gauge read higher.. you can't take resistance out of the the wire...
This is exactly why we made the gauge resistor.
For one, a gauge reading low... adding resistance on the input wire will only make it read lower...
I've posted what we deem as the required inputs for the 1979 gauge below... but if you look the lower the ohms reading the higher the gauge reading. so adding ohms input on the input wire will only lower the reading further. (and you can see by the required inputs that the gauge is non leaner).
Taking the center cluster out of a 1977-1982 isn't really all that hard... but if you add resistance to the input you're just going to make the gauge read higher.. you can't take resistance out of the the wire...
This is exactly why we made the gauge resistor.
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I think your issue is the Teflon tape you put on the sender threads. The joint between sender and engine block is the 'ground' connection to that temp system.
You can "test" this theory by rigging a simple 'bypass' wire which connects the sender body to a ground point anywhere on the engine block. If you install that [temporary] jumper wire and the gauge then starts reading correctly, Teflon tape on the threads is your problem.
You can "test" this theory by rigging a simple 'bypass' wire which connects the sender body to a ground point anywhere on the engine block. If you install that [temporary] jumper wire and the gauge then starts reading correctly, Teflon tape on the threads is your problem.
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I think your issue is the Teflon tape you put on the sender threads. The joint between sender and engine block is the 'ground' connection to that temp system.
You can "test" this theory by rigging a simple 'bypass' wire which connects the sender body to a ground point anywhere on the engine block. If you install that [temporary] wire and the gauge then starts reading correctly, Teflon tape on the threads is your problem.
With a 'helper', you can take the sender out of the head, quickly plug the hole with your thumb (or other finger...or your 'helper's' finger ), put some plumber's pipe dope on the threads and reinstall it in the head. No need to drain any antifreeze.
You can "test" this theory by rigging a simple 'bypass' wire which connects the sender body to a ground point anywhere on the engine block. If you install that [temporary] wire and the gauge then starts reading correctly, Teflon tape on the threads is your problem.
With a 'helper', you can take the sender out of the head, quickly plug the hole with your thumb (or other finger...or your 'helper's' finger ), put some plumber's pipe dope on the threads and reinstall it in the head. No need to drain any antifreeze.
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It won't work...
For one, a gauge reading low... adding resistance on the input wire will only make it read lower...
I've posted what we deem as the required inputs for the 1979 gauge below... but if you look the lower the ohms reading the higher the gauge reading. so adding ohms input on the input wire will only lower the reading further. (and you can see by the required inputs that the gauge is non leaner).
Taking the center cluster out of a 1977-1982 isn't really all that hard... but if you add resistance to the input you're just going to make the gauge read higher.. you can't take resistance out of the the wire...
This is exactly why we made the gauge resistor.
For one, a gauge reading low... adding resistance on the input wire will only make it read lower...
I've posted what we deem as the required inputs for the 1979 gauge below... but if you look the lower the ohms reading the higher the gauge reading. so adding ohms input on the input wire will only lower the reading further. (and you can see by the required inputs that the gauge is non leaner).
Taking the center cluster out of a 1977-1982 isn't really all that hard... but if you add resistance to the input you're just going to make the gauge read higher.. you can't take resistance out of the the wire...
This is exactly why we made the gauge resistor.
#26
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I think your issue is the Teflon tape you put on the sender threads. The joint between sender and engine block is the 'ground' connection to that temp system.
You can "test" this theory by rigging a simple 'bypass' wire which connects the sender body to a ground point anywhere on the engine block. If you install that [temporary] wire and the gauge then starts reading correctly, Teflon tape on the threads is your problem.
With a 'helper', you can take the sender out of the head, quickly plug the hole with your thumb (or other finger...or your 'helper's' finger ), put some plumber's pipe dope on the threads and reinstall it in the head. No need to drain any antifreeze.
You can "test" this theory by rigging a simple 'bypass' wire which connects the sender body to a ground point anywhere on the engine block. If you install that [temporary] wire and the gauge then starts reading correctly, Teflon tape on the threads is your problem.
With a 'helper', you can take the sender out of the head, quickly plug the hole with your thumb (or other finger...or your 'helper's' finger ), put some plumber's pipe dope on the threads and reinstall it in the head. No need to drain any antifreeze.
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As long as it didn't cure before you installed it, you should be fine.
A little piece of wire will validate that....
A little piece of wire will validate that....
#28
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So I finally got around to checking out the temperature of my new engine. Pulled out an old mechanical temperature gauge I have had since the late '70's. Put it in a pot of water and brought it to a boil. A little to my surprise it reads perfectly. Installed it on the car this morning and ran it up and down the street for about 10 minutes. Temperature stabilized at 180 degrees. Clearly my temperature issue is a problem with the sender. I've already ordered the adjustable resistor from Willcox.
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