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Old 02-04-2019, 01:22 PM
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Have you seen this on BAT
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-lola-t-160/

Anyone know what exactly is going on with this Small Block Chevy motor?
From what I see, the Fuel injection is where the distributor should be, and the distributor is mounted in the front of the engine.

What parts allow one to do that?


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Originally Posted by Fredtoo
Have you seen this on BAT
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-lola-t-160/

Anyone know what exactly is going on with this Small Block Chevy motor?
From what I see, the Fuel injection is where the distributor should be, and the distributor is mounted in the front of the engine.

What parts allow one to do that?

That is the rear of the engine. What you see there is the Kinsler High and Low pressure pumps with a 90 degree drive to run the distributor.
What bore and stroke is a mystery to me.......but the Grand sport 377 had a stroked crankshaft so this might too.......670 horsepower is impressive!

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Could be a .030 over 400 block with a 350 crank to make it a 377. Looks like a fun ride!
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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
That is the rear of the engine. What you see there is the Kinsler High and Low pressure pumps with a 90 degree drive to run the distributor.
What bore and stroke is a mystery to me.......but the Grand sport 377 had a stroked crankshaft so this might too.......670 horsepower is impressive!

Jebby
Ok

I see what I am looking at now.
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Love to have this one in my garage. Nice.
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I'm looking at the doors and wondering how the hell you get into this thing...
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Originally Posted by BigBlock77
Could be a .030 over 400 block with a 350 crank to make it a 377. Looks like a fun ride!
It's an aluminum block, did Chevy make an aluminum 400?
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Originally Posted by BigBlock77
Could be a .030 over 400 block with a 350 crank to make it a 377. Looks like a fun ride!

Exactly … I have one I bought from a dirt track Car that was brought from Florida to Eastern SC & "re-invented" for asphalt. Trouble was, 377 not permitted in any asphalt series in this region. So, I bought the motor for a song. Of course mine didn't have Can Am heritage... iron OE sbc 400 block, OE steel 350 crank, 6" Manley I-Beams, Manley platinum pistons with Huge domes, massaged World Sptman II heads, plain-Jane, .485" SFT cam, Champ left-turn pan. I sold the heads off it for more than I paid for entire fresh motor. Sometimes I'm the hydrant; sometimes the dog.

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Originally Posted by MelWff
It's an aluminum block, did Chevy make an aluminum 400?
yes ...aftermarket
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Originally Posted by Fredtoo
Have you seen this on BAT
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-lola-t-160/

Anyone know what exactly is going on with this Small Block Chevy motor?
From what I see, the Fuel injection is where the distributor should be, and the distributor is mounted in the front of the engine.

What parts allow one to do that?

The Lola's absolutely gorgeous... It's best looking thing I've seen in a while. Thanks Fred
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I'm looking at the length of the inlet runners, on a engine that is tuned for high RPM.

I get the feeling that the ones on street cars are way too short.
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Originally Posted by MelWff
It's an aluminum block, did Chevy make an aluminum 400?
Originally Posted by jackson
yes ...aftermarket
AFAIK, GM never offered a production motor with aluminum block

Chevy Perf (fka GMPP) lists aluminum sbc "400" block in its 2019 catalog … plus a tall-deck version
Several manufacturers have offered them and ...despite the successful LS platform … a few still do.
Aluminum sbc 400 blocks are used extensively in open-wheel sprint cars such as WoO 410 class.
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Originally Posted by Fredtoo
I'm looking at the length of the inlet runners, on a engine that is tuned for high RPM.

I get the feeling that the ones on street cars are way too short.
for several years, some production cars have variable length runners … controlled by ECM... also variable duration camshafts.
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Originally Posted by jackson
yes ...aftermarket
Considering the possible vintage of this 377 it apparently could also be an aluminum 327 or 350 with a larger stroke crank. Read the link below.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...placement.html
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Originally Posted by MelWff
Considering the possible vintage of this 377 it apparently could also be an aluminum 327 or 350 with a larger stroke crank. Read the link below.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...placement.html
That's very interesting thread and subject … details I had no prior knowledge of. Thanks, it's a great read!

But, in this thread, question was asked if Chevy ever made an Aluminum 400. I answered yes, aftermarket... then went on to write they never offered a production version Engine but they do still offer aftermarket AL 400 block.

GM did offer an aftermarket Aluminum 350 sbc block but it's been discontinued. AFAIK, GM didn't offer either 350 sbc or 400 sbc Aluminum block equipped engines in any vehicle for serial production (notwithstanding merc ZR1 & modern LS series); and I found nothing within that very cool 377 thread you linked to indicate otherwise. Again, Serial Production aka Mass Production … which is what I mean when I write production.

Recall the BOP Aluminum 215ci V8 production motor from early sixties? I wonder if it played any role in the thread's CERV & GS vehicles?
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LBP engine- Lozano Brothers Porting. Founded 1978. I'd only be guessing, but its probably a present day build with an aluminum 400 block.

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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
That is the rear of the engine. What you see there is the Kinsler High and Low pressure pumps with a 90 degree drive to run the distributor.
What bore and stroke is a mystery to me.......but the Grand sport 377 had a stroked crankshaft so this might too.......670 horsepower is impressive!

Jebby
LBP's in New Braunfels. Maybe take a stroll over for details?

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I was a shop and traveling race mechanic for 10 years with a "Historic Motor Sports Association" racing team. So I worked on cars exactly like that for our clients and other race teams that didn't have the expertise to fix these old cars. I have some scars on my right wrist from being burned by electricity while rebuilding the Hewland transaxle in that exact same model for another race team. I was adjusting the linkage passing through the cockpit tub and didn't know that this car had a race battery inside that area and the engine firewall.

That is not the motor that car came with. The 377 ci idea 3.48 X 4.125 was something thought up in the mid 70's. Kinsler fuel injection was also something that came out much later than 1968. Back in yesteryear Rodeck aluminum small blocks were the rage of serious racers trying to save weight. We had a lola that had a closer to 390 ci with dart aluminum 18 degree heads. It was a 9000 rpm motor. Not really in the spirit of historic racing, but it had been raced back in the day by Marrio Andretti and Dan Gurney in the late 60's

Race cars have a very short life because of advances in technology and rules changes. So to compete with a car for years it kept getting modded to attempt to run with the field. That car in the years after 68 had to try and compete against aluminum big blocks as big as 509 ci.














The Shadows were always my favorite car. This is what happens went you kick the rod through the side of the block on and over rev too early down shift. I think this was like 488 ci aluminum BBC. Just bad to the bone! Yes it was repaired with a new body



Blue "All American Lola" Raced by Dan Gurney and Mario Andretti. Cheap compared to these TR250's


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This has been upgraded to 421 ci. McLaren that did a little off roading through the gravel traps. Vertex magneto dual point instead of dizzy.

Very modern merge collector custom made exhaust system. It hurts your ears if it is you job to be in the back with the battery pack to jump start these motors. These 9000 rpm motors idle at 2000 rpm and very little rotating mass no damper with small diameter 7 disk clutch setups. you can blip the throttle warming them up and it revs instantly

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Fantastic automobiles.
The McLaren is to die for.

Did you see all of these in one place?
If so, where?


Originally Posted by gkull
I was a shop and traveling race mechanic for 10 years with a "Historic Motor Sports Association" racing team. So I worked on cars exactly like that for our clients and other race teams that didn't have the expertise to fix these old cars. I have some scars on my right wrist from being burned by electricity while rebuilding the Hewland transaxle in that exact same model for another race team. I was adjusting the linkage passing through the cockpit tub and didn't know that this car had a race battery inside that area and the engine firewall.

That is not the motor that car came with. The 377 ci idea 3.48 X 4.125 was something thought up in the mid 70's. Kinsler fuel injection was also something that came out much later than 1968. Back in yesteryear Rodeck aluminum small blocks were the rage of serious racers trying to save weight. We had a lola that had a closer to 390 ci with dart aluminum 18 degree heads. It was a 9000 rpm motor. Not really in the spirit of historic racing, but it had been raced back in the day by Marrio Andretti and Dan Gurney in the late 60's

Race cars have a very short life because of advances in technology and rules changes. So to compete with a car for years it kept getting modded to attempt to run with the field. That car in the years after 68 had to try and compete against aluminum big blocks as big as 509 ci.














The Shadows were always my favorite car. This is what happens went you kick the rod through the side of the block on and over rev too early down shift. I think this was like 488 ci aluminum BBC. Just bad to the bone! Yes it was repaired with a new body



Blue "All American Lola" Raced by Dan Gurney and Mario Andretti. Cheap compared to these TR250's



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