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Old 02-09-2019, 11:01 AM
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Wow, .077 end play is about 6 degrees of timing slop at .013 per degree. That would be considered high wear on an old used distributor let alone a new one. Whoever made that wasn't big on tolerances....
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Wow, .077 end play is about 6 degrees of timing slop at .013 per degree. That would be considered high wear on an old used distributor let alone a new one. Whoever made that wasn't big on tolerances....
My NOS ZZ4 takeoff from eBay (ACDelco 93440806, same part number, and available new from Amazon), which had probably been sitting on a shelf for 10 years, had the same endplay. I added a Moroso shim kit, an adjustable vacuum can, and changed the springs, and its been great on the 79.

The cam gear is not like the stock gear. It is a melonized gear. You can read up on it yourself, and decide if you want to use that with a 40 year old camshaft.

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Originally Posted by Bikespace
My NOS ZZ4 takeoff from eBay (ACDelco 93440806, same part number, and available new from Amazon), which had probably been sitting on a shelf for 10 years, had the same endplay. I added a Moroso shim kit, an adjustable vacuum can, and changed the springs, and its been great on the 79.

The cam gear is not like the stock gear. It is a melonized gear. You can read up on it yourself, and decide if you want to use that with a 40 year old camshaft.
about 10 years back, I got an unused zz4 takeoff from tpis and it had the old pn laser-etched into its alum housing/base ...old pn was NOT 93440806...
… not certain but think it was old GM pn 1104067.

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Originally Posted by CanadaGrant
Wow, .077 end play is about 6 degrees of timing slop at .013 per degree. That would be considered high wear on an old used distributor let alone a new one. Whoever made that wasn't big on tolerances....
Yes. The old NOS units came with one .030" shim.
I used to set them at .010". Now I use .015". Some say .020". I will settle this later in this thread.
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Top to bottom. MSD Streetfire gear, Delco HEI gear, NOS Delco # 10456413 gear, and a nice used GM tach drive gear.

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Originally Posted by derekderek
A lot of boat guys cut a slot in the housing so a little pressurized oil sprays down on the gear right before it meets the cam gear.
I am on the fence with this. I have done it by request, but when you think about the fact there is no gasket and a slip fit, some oil MUST be streaming down from the galley on the gear anyhow.
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
I am on the fence with this. I have done it by request, but when you think about the fact there is no gasket and a slip fit, some oil MUST be streaming down from the galley on the gear anyhow.
I recall some aftermarket distributors/mags were sold new with o-ringed grooves in the two bosses … and some guys would machine o-ring grooves in theirs that hadn't come with them … go figure.
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Originally Posted by jackson
I recall some aftermarket distributors/mags were sold new with o-ringed grooves in the two bosses … and some guys would machine o-ring grooves in theirs that hadn't come with them … go figure.
I think some new MSD units have them, and you chamfer the block to keep from cutting the o -rings.
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The big question I have is......do they supply a dizzy to fit the olde tyme Poncho blocks.....326-455???

bet not.....
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The bigger question is, after properly shimming the dist'r, does it work?
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadaGrant
Wow, .077 end play is about 6 degrees of timing slop at .013 per degree. That would be considered high wear on an old used distributor let alone a new one. Whoever made that wasn't big on tolerances....
Verified. 6* distributor variance when raising and lowering the housing.
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Out of the box, 18* crank advance from 900 RPM all in by 2900RPM.

Vacuum can starts at 3" and is all in at 6.5" for 9*, or 18* crank. nearest can would be a VC1862.
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
Out of the box, 18* crank advance from 900 RPM all in by 2900RPM.

Vacuum can starts at 3" and is all in at 6.5" for 9*, or 18* crank. nearest can would be a VC1862.
What kind of overall numbers are you going to go for? Nice Sun Machine! Getting expensive and hard to find a nice one.
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Originally Posted by CanadaGrant
What kind of overall numbers are you going to go for? Nice Sun Machine! Getting expensive and hard to find a nice one.
The mechanical is fine out of the box.

The vacuum I need to limit to 5*

Thank you. I looked for a year to find this one. I still actively collect Sun goodies. I even have some of the Sun tech service equipment to calibrate them.
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Default Article: Hemmings Lost Art of Servicing GM HEI

from 2008 Hemmings
Lost Art of Servicing GM HEI


https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...I/1719426.html

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Originally Posted by mrvette
The big question I have is......do they supply a dizzy to fit the olde tyme Poncho blocks.....326-455???

bet not.....
I doubt it...the last time that Pontiac made a liberal number of their "original" V-8 engines was 1978, in the 400 cu/in variety, and they "stockpiled" some to be used in 4 speed manual equipped, 1979 Trans Ams. After that, they did make a "bastardized" 301 cu/in version, for a couple of years. So I'm assuming that there isn't that big a market for them. DUI offers a Pontiac version of their distributor, so I've read.
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from 2008 Hemmings
Lost Art of Servicing GM HEI


https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...I/1719426.html
I'm not trying to be picky here, but as an electrical engineer, my advice is to skip over the theory/technical explanation in this link, and just read the servicing part. The technical portion has an awful lot of technical errors in it.
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Originally Posted by mrvette
The big question I have is......do they supply a dizzy to fit the olde tyme Poncho blocks.....326-455???

bet not.....
google Pontiac HEI … all over amazombie & fleabay for $60

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-850007


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