Best Oil Filter for the Money?
#61
I used to wrench on an 80s Ferrari. The dealer used Fram.
#62
Race Director
As others have mentioned there're flaws in this but its a great chart regardless. Keep in mind that its chart from a truck perspective. From a performance car perspective I would've weighted the categories differently. Cost would NOT have been considered, if a $15 filter's going to kill your budget then find another hobby. I would have weighted surface area higher, more surface area, in general means more flow and less pressure drop. Build quality is so subjective I would've given it a .5 but no more than a full 1 weighting. I'll give them a 'jim2527 scale and post the numbers..
So..re-weighted on the jim2527 scale of 30um = 5, quality = 1, surface area = 5, media volume = 3 and no price.. Previous rank in ( )
Mobile 1.. = 3.8 (2)
K&N..........= 3.4 (t4)
Wix...........= 3.3 (7)
Fram XG....=3.2 (1)
Fram HP4 = 2.8 (6)
Amsoil......= 2.4 (t4)
RoyalP.......=2.3 (3)
AcDelco ...=1.86 (last)
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#63
Team Owner
……...Baldwin filters are industrial machine filters......generally for hydraulic machines (I am an equipment troubleshooter by trade) that do not have the flow requirements that a proprietary oiling system for babbit bearing on rotating equipment......that said...they filter VERY well but I would use a standard Fram before I would use a Baldwin on a sustained high RPM engine.
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#64
Melting Slicks
Hmm. We use Baldwin filters on our high speed turbine gens for years and they turn 22000 rpm all day long. Offshore oil industry.
We also have hundreds of CAT engines running Baldwin’s. Never a problem.
We also have hundreds of CAT engines running Baldwin’s. Never a problem.
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I would never use one....but I retract my statement...
Use what you want!
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You might ask what does a industrial machine have to do with it? Just an observation, that’s all, and I observe that Baldwin is primarily an Industrial Filter company....because that is the only place I see them after 1000 machines and 1000 Hot Rods/OEM....
My point on the Baldwin filter is I would not use it in a small block that revs more than 6000 rpm continuously....because at that rpm the filter becomes the cork.....the application is wrong here.
CAT engines rev about 2500 max.....more about filtration there than flow....
But I can tell I am going to lose this argument by redirect so I am opting out now....
Jebby
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#68
Le Mans Master
Here's a pic of my original 1974 engine after I've had it for seven years. This was just taken a month or so ago, after I took off the intake, carb and rocker arms to use on the new build. I used the NAPA Gold, along with Mobil 1, exclusively. I did not touch or clean up the intake valley or the heads whatsoever and it's exactly as it appeared after removing the components. There is not one bit of sludge, dirt or buildup, whatsoever. I flogged on this motor for seven years, including some drag strip action, but kept up on the oil changes and filters all along.
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#69
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This is what the original motor above, looked like seven years ago! All we did was swap heads and put a cam in it. The bottom end was untouched. We pulled the main caps, checked the crank bearings and put it together and back in, exactly as is. The care I applied to it, actually cleaned the entire inside of the engine!
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#71
Melting Slicks
And what does one moving part spinning at 22,000 rpm have to do with the relevance of a filter on a small block? The filter will only flow it’s recommended capability....maybe a little more....
You might ask what does a industrial machine have to do with it? Just an observation, that’s all, and I observe that Baldwin is primarily an Industrial Filter company....because that is the only place I see them after 1000 machines and 1000 Hot Rods/OEM....
My point on the Baldwin filter is I would not use it in a small block that revs more than 6000 rpm continuously....because at that rpm the filter becomes the cork.....the application is wrong here.
CAT engines rev about 2500 max.....more about filtration there than flow....
But I can tell I am going to lose this argument by redirect so I am opting out now....
Jebby
You might ask what does a industrial machine have to do with it? Just an observation, that’s all, and I observe that Baldwin is primarily an Industrial Filter company....because that is the only place I see them after 1000 machines and 1000 Hot Rods/OEM....
My point on the Baldwin filter is I would not use it in a small block that revs more than 6000 rpm continuously....because at that rpm the filter becomes the cork.....the application is wrong here.
CAT engines rev about 2500 max.....more about filtration there than flow....
But I can tell I am going to lose this argument by redirect so I am opting out now....
Jebby
#72
Race Director
I've used truck oil filters in drag boats and classic cars for years.
It wasn't about more surface area or even filtration, it was just to have an extra 1/2 quart oil capacity in the system.
They can be a bear to get around some headers, but if you punch a pin hole in the upper part of the filter and one at the bottom, then let the oil drip into a pan overnight, you can spin the filter off and maneuver it through the header without making any mess.
WIX and Napa Gold filters have always been my preferred choices.
Back in the day when I was a high school kid, I worked in a full service gas station at night for extra money.
Does anyone here remember the old canister oil filters that were OEM on some american made cars?
It was not uncommon to do an oil change, drop the canister and find someone was using a roll of toilet paper for filtering the oil.
It wasn't about more surface area or even filtration, it was just to have an extra 1/2 quart oil capacity in the system.
They can be a bear to get around some headers, but if you punch a pin hole in the upper part of the filter and one at the bottom, then let the oil drip into a pan overnight, you can spin the filter off and maneuver it through the header without making any mess.
WIX and Napa Gold filters have always been my preferred choices.
Back in the day when I was a high school kid, I worked in a full service gas station at night for extra money.
Does anyone here remember the old canister oil filters that were OEM on some american made cars?
It was not uncommon to do an oil change, drop the canister and find someone was using a roll of toilet paper for filtering the oil.
#73
Racer
Just curious, but how many filter manufacturers are out there? I assume they supply many Brands, and probably have specifications for each customer. Unfortunately, we can really only TRUST the Brand.
#74
Team Owner
So, you're implying that Purolator, Fram, and/or Wix don't make filters for industrial use??
#75
Race Director
Here this will make some heads explode
OP buy what you like, put it on your engine will probably be just fine. Its coming off quickly anyways?
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...kes_Mobil_1_Oi
OP buy what you like, put it on your engine will probably be just fine. Its coming off quickly anyways?
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...kes_Mobil_1_Oi
As others have mentioned there're flaws in this but its a great chart regardless. Keep in mind that its chart from a truck perspective. From a performance car perspective I would've weighted the categories differently. Cost would NOT have been considered, if a $15 filter's going to kill your budget then find another hobby. I would have weighted surface area higher, more surface area, in general means more flow and less pressure drop. Build quality is so subjective I would've given it a .5 but no more than a full 1 weighting. I'll give them a 'jim2527 scale and post the numbers..
So..re-weighted on the jim2527 scale of 30um = 5, quality = 1, surface area = 5, media volume = 3 and no price.. Previous rank in ( )
Mobile 1.. = 3.8 (2)
K&N..........= 3.4 (t4)
Wix...........= 3.3 (7)
Fram XG....=3.2 (1)
Fram HP4 = 2.8 (6)
Amsoil......= 2.4 (t4)
RoyalP.......=2.3 (3)
AcDelco ...=1.86 (last)
So..re-weighted on the jim2527 scale of 30um = 5, quality = 1, surface area = 5, media volume = 3 and no price.. Previous rank in ( )
Mobile 1.. = 3.8 (2)
K&N..........= 3.4 (t4)
Wix...........= 3.3 (7)
Fram XG....=3.2 (1)
Fram HP4 = 2.8 (6)
Amsoil......= 2.4 (t4)
RoyalP.......=2.3 (3)
AcDelco ...=1.86 (last)
100% agree with you... again... :-)
#76
Le Mans Master
Here's a pic of my original 1974 engine after I've had it for seven years. This was just taken a month or so ago, after I took off the intake, carb and rocker arms to use on the new build. I used the NAPA Gold, along with Mobil 1, exclusively. I did not touch or clean up the intake valley or the heads whatsoever and it's exactly as it appeared after removing the components. There is not one bit of sludge, dirt or buildup, whatsoever. I flogged on this motor for seven years, including some drag strip action, but kept up on the oil changes and filters all along.
#77
i think the clean engine is more a function of the additive package of the oil rather than the filtration of any filter used. Mobil one has a very good cleaning additive package in their oil. Oils of years gone by did not have particularly good cleaning capabilities nor were they very good at keeping contaminates in suspension in the oil.
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50,000 miles?
Remove two zeros and watch the videos on YouTube about filter internals.
Some of you may remember a Fram commercial shown on TV years ago. It was about a mechanic wiping his hands with a towel and holding a orange filter.
At that time their slogan was:
"You can pay me now or you can pay me later'". Meaning that if you don't use Fram then you will pay the mechanic for repairs later.
Now that I am older and wiser I realize that slogan really means that if you install a Fram, you will pay for repairs later.
Remove two zeros and watch the videos on YouTube about filter internals.
Some of you may remember a Fram commercial shown on TV years ago. It was about a mechanic wiping his hands with a towel and holding a orange filter.
At that time their slogan was:
"You can pay me now or you can pay me later'". Meaning that if you don't use Fram then you will pay the mechanic for repairs later.
Now that I am older and wiser I realize that slogan really means that if you install a Fram, you will pay for repairs later.
#80
Le Mans Master
Perhaps we need a sarcasm tag? A coarse stainless mesh screen could last 100,000 miles. That would be even better than a Fram, and might stop some of the larger chunks of whatever got eaten.