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Just curious. What sort of machine are you driving?
my stuff in storage. Have to spend money on Break Out Another Thousand. In san diego right now working on diesels and painting. All free no charge. Owned 4 corvettes 2 camaros 2 vettes bought new both camaro' s bough new. Owned more stuff new an old car and motorcycle then most people would hope for. After boat will be 78 antigue pig. Even if truth hurts feelings. 1962 last time front engine car won a serious race. chevy just never had gutts to come play with big boys racing. Ford did destroyed fararri in some races. Just way it is history cant be errased. They were part of biggest car company just no gutts. Owned no turttles/ pontiacs or old - mobiles or buicks. Just bought a series 1 55 3/4 ton chevy last year it was made. Maybe you would like to design a front engine car take on a formula 1 car im sure its allowed as long as you stay in engine rules. Cadillac built a mid engine serious car few years ago not much success with it. May have been when GM stock 85 cents 2009.
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-17-2019 at 09:32 PM.
Time to quell some of the mental retardation going on in here. Here's the front-engined Panoz LMP-1.
It won the 1999 ALMS manufacturer and team championships. It had overall wins at Nurburgring, Road Atlanta, PIR, Mosport, Mid-Ohio, Infineon, and RFK, as well as numerous podium finishes at other tracks. Not bad for a car racing against factory-backed LMP cars.
Point is the front engine car done in 62 lousy design everyone serious moved on chevy finally moving on 60 years to late. Still waiting fir pictures of fornula 1, indy cars with front engines since early 60s
Have any of those .
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-18-2019 at 01:38 PM.
Anyone bragging about BBC power has never been around 427 through 454 so called small blocks.
A cubic inch is a ci. You can argue the merits of bore VS stroke ratios all day long. But you can't argue that lighter weight reciprocating assemblies ability to change rpm faster.
My 427 sbc can take on the all most all N/A of the up to 454 BBC's that I have ever come up against. Even in mph at one mile airport runway events.
I would have to echo Gkull with exception to the ultimate potential head flow difference favoring the BBC. Here is my dyno sheet from my Bowtie block 434 SBC of 15 years ago.. Built for street in a heavy XJS Jag. 590 ft lbs of torque at 3900 rpm. Will be changing cams and putting this in my 72. Funnest street engine I've ever had.
Last edited by platinummaker; 04-18-2019 at 03:07 PM.
Reason: clarfying
Its more well known that in drag racing you want weight transfer to the rear axle and you get that in different amounts its a good thing for drag racing to have. In road racing unfortunantly on the brakes you get weight transfer forward overloading the front tires while they are turning. This is why a mid engine car with far less weight forward is far superior. There has never been a front engine car built for all out competition sports car racing since 1963. Front engine race in lessor slower classes.
WRONG.
1) sstonebreaker posted info showing that you're fulla ****.
2) C3DeedlyDee posted info showing you're fulla ****.
3) Here's an additional post, showing you're fulla ****.
1983 Ford Mustang GTP car.
The car took first overall at Road America, 1983. The other team car took third overall. Damn fast. Fragile engine.
Now please, admit you're wrong, and quit wasting peoples' time with your erroneous history of motorsports.
1) sstonebreaker posted info showing that you're fulla ****.
2) C3DeedlyDee posted info showing you're fulla ****.
3) Here's an additional post, showing you're fulla ****.
1983 Ford Mustang GTP car.
The car took first overall at Road America, 1983. The other team car took third overall. Damn fast. Fragile engine.
Now please, admit you're wrong, and quit wasting peoples' time with your erroneous history of motorsports.
class racing in lower classes is an also run had no meaning and waiting for your pictures of formula 1 and indy front engine cars. Not there to be found because like i said whole post front engine inferior design. And beside that me and mythical fonz are never wrong. You have no pictures of a past early 60s formula 1 all out car or indy car all out now do you wrong person. Im 100 percent right and chevy should be shot for selling nothing but crap front engine vette. But gm good at putting crap off on people why there stock went to 85 cents and bankruptcy and government pitting people in place and running there company. Truth is in the bankruptcy.
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-19-2019 at 01:20 PM.
1963 farrari 250 P mid engine won 24 hours lemans and 12 hours sebring and everything else. 62 last year of a front engine car winning in all out competition, front engine car became an antique car by 63. Lol.they still raced them in lessor GT class racing still to this day just in the way on the track. You can read the drivers mind coming up on a gt car. Please get that damn snail out of my way have serious cars i have to race.
New 69 Z/28 paint on roof to thin dealer had to repaint it laquar could be done. Pickup tube not welded to pump came off in pan dealer put new crank in it two new rods. Same thing happened to my grandfathers new 57 buick pickup tube came off dealer installed new engine. Fast forward 12 years to my 69 camaro gm had done nothing to fix the problem. New 78 vette ordered came in was white. 18 inches of primer showing through the paint left rear quarter panel so bad blind ray charles could have seen it not shipped it, but they did. Same dealer bought 69 camaro from fixed it. New 78 454 chevy pickup 3/4 ton bought same year never hauled anything heaver then some truck tires. Within 12, 000 miles rear end replaced. Power windows fixed twice. Right side door not opened much where hinges welded to door the metal broke. Fiber cam gear stripped had to fix that. Long A/C hose busted all this in 52,000 miles when i sold it. Ordered new 79 camaro same white color comes in all panels different shade of white seems gm decided to paint body and panels seperate same dealer repainted brand new car. Late 50s GM had 52 percent of world market, ford motor company and chrysler had the other 25 percent of world market at same time. Years and years and years of gm putting out good styling but crap for cars. Americans went to japan for a dependable new car without constant problems and GM took bankruptcy. They earned there fait. Im not big government guy and most my life small business. Government should never take the publics money and use it to bail out companies. Gm should have been gone replaced in sales by other companies and them hiring there previuos GM workers. Chrysler should have not been bailed out 1980s. Nor the airlines with publics tax money.
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-19-2019 at 01:55 PM.
seems its a front engine rear engine debate which is best. Can you sir show me a picture of a formula 1 car or indy car thats front engine since early 60s. None of you can because as i said in many posts front engine is inferior to mid engine. So with no pictures of these cars and nothing but lower class racing cars all you and any buddies are 100 percent wrong not me.
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-19-2019 at 02:15 PM.
So with no pictures of formula 1 or indy car's past early 60s with front engines and only front engine cars in the slow lane of traffic since then. Im 100 percent correct. Sorry little feelings have been hurt with the truth. Also had both bbc and sbc vettes almost zero driving difference. Even used both a sbc and bbc chevy same 66 vette, 1, 73 bbc vette bought new.
seems its a front engine rear engine debate which is best.
Last I saw this thread was about weight distributions of the various C3s.
Originally Posted by Little Mouse
seems its a front engine rear engine debate which is best. Can you sir show me a picture of a formula 1 car or indy car thats front engine since early 60s. None of you can because as i said in many posts front engine is inferior to mid engine. So with no pictures of these cars and nothing but lower class racing cars all you and any buddies are 100 percent wrong not me.
Suddenly prototpye-class cars are lesser class. Goal posts shifted. Great work.
Originally Posted by Little Mouse
1963 farrari 250 P mid engine won 24 hours lemans and 12 hours sebring and everything else. 62 last year of a front engine carwinning in all out competition, front engine car became an antique car by 63. Lol.they still raced them in lessor GT class racing still to this day just in the way on the track. You can read the drivers mind coming up on a gt car. Please get that damn snail out of my way have serious cars i have to race.
This is where you're wrong. You can keep on going with the (edited), but personally I'm done. No point continuing this argument. You've already shifted the goal posts to try and cover your ***.
Last edited by vettebuyer6369; 04-19-2019 at 04:23 PM.
Reason: edited out unnecessary descriptor
I don't consider Indy or formula 1 cars as cars . I have zero interest in them in any way and never have.
I lost interest in Nascar decades ago.
Drag racing is the only Motorsport that interests me. So front engine rear engine mid engine side engine I couldn't care less. I've rolled over at 200+ m.p.h on a drag strip and I can tell you one thing for sure I didn't care where the damn engine was as long as it didn't roll over me. Top fuel funny cars are front engine and an Indy car couldn't out run one of those on any day.
WTF does open wheel racing have to do at all with this? Least the LMP Panoz is closed configuration. I guess the front engine Vette that won Daytona Overall years back was inferior to those rear engine Prototypes too and every other pos mid/rear engine class car that competed lmao?
Rear engine cars have three advantages braking for corners i mentioned a better polar inersha. They transistion better and they provide better traction. Its just the facts and reason the front engine car was no longer used. Lots of front engine cars i would like to have but would never lie to myself that its the best design for a sports car. Love to have my 66 vette back my 69 Z/28 my 78 vette. Then a prince of darkness electrics say 67 xke. 70 camaro. Even have to admit to liking the pontiac/ turtle 68 firebird. Lets see then i want a pogo dissaster engine behind rear axle 69 corvair owned a 63 version.
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-19-2019 at 05:24 PM.
END OF AN ERA. !! 1965 last year front engine car won indy 500, lotus ford. 54 years ago. Last year front engine car wins the grand daddy of all racing 1962 24 hours of lemans. 57 years ago. Museum stuff with the rotary phone, type writer, printing press.
Last edited by Little Mouse; 04-19-2019 at 06:39 PM.
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