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Smog hole in the manifold needs repair 1968

Old 05-01-2019, 06:21 PM
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I guess I'm missing something here;

When I did mine back in the dawn of time....I realized immediately that the holes were NPT (national pipe tap)

So unless I'm being obtuse....re tap for the nearest NPT and use a stainless steel NPT PLUG.
If you need to there is METRIC NPT's (so to speak) Tapered pipe taps metric...they basically correspond to 'half sizes'.

Because NPT's are tapered...CARE should be used to JUST screw them in low enough to seal....don't want to split that beautiful Ram's Horn!

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Old 05-01-2019, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by L-46man
I guess I'm missing something here;... ... use a stainless steel NPT PLUG. ...

Thanks, and I believe you are. I am not looking to plug the holes. I am looking to tap the holes to see if the smog tubes will be able to screw in securely without exhaust leaks.
Old 05-01-2019, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cor66vette
Thanks, and I believe you are. I am not looking to plug the holes. I am looking to tap the holes to see if the smog tubes will be able to screw in securely without exhaust leaks.
On my 69 the exhaust manifold AIR holes have an inside lip and the tubes seal up against them similar to a brake or fuel line. With the inside lip or seal surface gone, it's going to leak. I would look for another manifold as trying to fix that isn't going to be cost effective.
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the original threads ARE NOT NPT !

they are 1/4"-18 NPS (National Pipe Straight).
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Originally Posted by CanadaGrant
On my 69 the exhaust manifold AIR holes have an inside lip and the tubes seal up against them similar to a brake or fuel line. With the inside lip or seal surface gone, it's going to leak. I would look for another manifold as trying to fix that isn't going to be cost effective.
Yes, thanks. I am leaning in that direction, but I'm still looking to see if these can be saved, but without that inside lip, salvation is uncertain. And I have my eyes out for replacement manifolds in the meantime.

Originally Posted by riverracer au
the original threads ARE NOT NPT ! they are 1/4"-18 NPS (National Pipe Straight).
Thank you, and being I did not know what the thread size is, I sought out expert advice, one of whom is Bill Hodell, whose name we doubtless recognize as someone who might know a thing or two about these smog systems. He says 1/2 x 18.
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Originally Posted by cor66vette
Yes, thanks. I am leaning in that direction, but I'm still looking to see if these can be saved, but without that inside lip, salvation is uncertain. And I have my eyes out for replacement manifolds in the meantime.



Thank you, and being I did not know what the thread size is, I sought out expert advice, one of whom is Bill Hodell, whose name we doubtless recognize as someone who might know a thing or two about these smog systems. He says 1/2 x 18.
If you measure the smog tree tube threads there are 18 threads per inch. BUT, look at these manifold pictures. The 1/2 SAE 20 tap threads in by HAND into a smog hole and after using this tap the tree screws into the manifold by hand only needing a partial turn with a wrench to bottom out. I have also used this tap on "messed up" manifold holes with the same result.

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Also, don't forget about the stainless AIR extension tubes that slide into the manifold and provide a seal with the external "tree".

https://www.corvettecentral.com/c3-6...es%26count%3d9
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Originally Posted by cor66vette
@toylman - I just ran a 1/2 x 20 tap- gently by hand - and yes, it seems to thread okay into the manifold (female). I never tried this tap size before, because in my limited experience with this sort of thing, the thread size of the male part is usually the same as the thread size of the female part, and as stated earlier in this thread, the expert advice I sought stated tube thread size (male) to be 1/2 x 18.

Anyway ... once I have a set of tubes, I can check this out further. Thank you.


*EDIT* Luckily I didn't thread too much into the manifold with the 1/2 x 20 tap. The 1/2 x 18 plugs that the previous owner used to plug the holes do not thread in. So should I assume that the tubes would not thread in, either?
I thought about this and am guessing that the 1/2 20 SAE tap has "starter threads" that match the factory manifold threads. Keep in mind this tap does not very deep when the manifold has the lip. When I run it to the lip it generated No metal shavings. I have multiple trees and they all work smoothly with my test manifold.
I have a friend at my gym who is a retired machinist; I'm going to run this "guess" past him.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by toylman
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I have a friend at my gym who is a retired machinist; I'm going to run this "guess" past him.
Thanks. Please keep me posted.
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Kind of a follow-up to my story.
I brought the manifolds to two machinists, hoping they would know of a fix for the A.I.R. holes.
After spending a little time checking them out, each agreed I would be spinning my wheels looking to save them.
Since they are date correct for the car, my plan at this point is to shelf them and include them with the car when I sell it. Also, to locate a replacement pair.

With that said, I'm now looking for a set. If you have please let me know.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...3872765-a.html

Thanks to all who offered input

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I purchased a set and will be selling these manifolds.

Here is the f/s link.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1599588201

Thanks again for all the good help.
Old 06-16-2019, 01:43 PM
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It looks like you need a step for the tubing flare to seal against. Fixable but I think might be more costly than the value of the manifold. An insert needs to be installed from the other side (cyl head exh port side) to just the right depth. If I did it I would install a threaded plug from the back side - ensuring the correct depth for the tubing flare to seat - and drill a reasonable sized hole in it.
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Sent you a PM with a possible fix.


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