NCRS 2ndFlight Award?
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NCRS 2ndFlight Award?
I'm interested in purchasing a '69 Vette and the gentleman said it was inspected a few years ago and received the 2ndFlight Award by NCRS. Is there a database to see how this Vette stacked up and can anyone shed some light on the caliber of this inspection? I've included the link for people to view if wanted.
http://www.vettehound.com/geo/classi...php?a=2&b=1193
Thanks for any help or guidance. I currently live in Tampa, FL and am looking for a '69-'72 if anyone knows of one for sale in or around FL.
http://www.vettehound.com/geo/classi...php?a=2&b=1193
Thanks for any help or guidance. I currently live in Tampa, FL and am looking for a '69-'72 if anyone knows of one for sale in or around FL.
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Post in the NCRS Tech Board and you will get that information. BTW that car sure looks good. That's my dream after my 1967. But I can't afford both.
http://www.ncrs.org/forum/tech.cgi
http://www.ncrs.org/forum/tech.cgi
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Sorry but NCRS does not maintain that type of database. I would want more info than the fact that it got a Second Flight. Could be that it is totaly worn out but got the Second Flight by still be ing all original.
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NCRS flight judging focuses on originality but there is also a section on operations where all operating functions of the car are judged short of a test drive. The owner would have been provided the judging sheets and you can certainly ask for a copy of them. You can then see where the car fell short of a top flight and how long ago the car was judged.
Having said that all flight awards state in part "Any subsequent purchaser, observer or judge should evaluate such car ONLY on the basis of their own knowledge and opinion and WITHOUT RELIANCE ON ANY NCRS JUDGING AWARD" .
This car looks real nice but don't rely on any awards it might have received to decide on whether to buy or not.
Having said that all flight awards state in part "Any subsequent purchaser, observer or judge should evaluate such car ONLY on the basis of their own knowledge and opinion and WITHOUT RELIANCE ON ANY NCRS JUDGING AWARD" .
This car looks real nice but don't rely on any awards it might have received to decide on whether to buy or not.
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As stated above, the owner should have the judging sheet which details exactly where/why it might have come up short on some points and not made top-flight.
I also agree though (and I am an NCRS member and planing to have my 63 judged), that you should purchase the car because it is something you really want and not rely too much on it's judged status. I would also do a lot of comparison of similar year/condition/optioned cars to determine if the market value is realistic. The fact that it's a 2nd flight car I think is a good thing. But even judges can miss things.
It looks like a nice clean car in the pics. But I'd have someone who knows Corvettes inspect the car for those dollars.
I also agree though (and I am an NCRS member and planing to have my 63 judged), that you should purchase the car because it is something you really want and not rely too much on it's judged status. I would also do a lot of comparison of similar year/condition/optioned cars to determine if the market value is realistic. The fact that it's a 2nd flight car I think is a good thing. But even judges can miss things.
It looks like a nice clean car in the pics. But I'd have someone who knows Corvettes inspect the car for those dollars.
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Car looks good in photos but so did mine before I pulled the body off. Car has been for sale over 6 months? Not sold? maybe its not as good as the photos show or the price is to high. I know several guys that their cars are always for sale at a price that is high and if they get they sell it.
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I'd put little or no stock in a 2nd flight award at face value. Ask WHEN it received the award and copies of the judging sheets - that will tell you quite a bit more. It could be an exceptional car w/ base/clear paint, modern tires and a powdercoated frame greater driver or it could be an all original rust bucket. In short you 'might' put some stock into a 1st flight but a 2nd flight at face value doesn't fill in the pieces all that much. (1st flight has some serious gaps too - could be a trailer queen that is completely in appropriate and undependable to do any serious driving in for example). People heavily depend on the 1st flight for enhancing resale value but not so much 2nd flight and below...
Originally Posted by socovette
I'm interested in purchasing a '69 Vette and the gentleman said it was inspected a few years ago and received the 2ndFlight Award by NCRS. Is there a database to see how this Vette stacked up and can anyone shed some light on the caliber of this inspection? I've included the link for people to view if wanted.
http://www.vettehound.com/geo/classi...php?a=2&b=1193
Thanks for any help or guidance. I currently live in Tampa, FL and am looking for a '69-'72 if anyone knows of one for sale in or around FL.
http://www.vettehound.com/geo/classi...php?a=2&b=1193
Thanks for any help or guidance. I currently live in Tampa, FL and am looking for a '69-'72 if anyone knows of one for sale in or around FL.
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Originally Posted by pgtr
I'd put little or no stock in a 2nd flight award at face value. Ask WHEN it received the award and copies of the judging sheets - that will tell you quite a bit more. It could be an exceptional car w/ base/clear paint, modern tires and a powdercoated frame greater driver or it could be an all original rust bucket. In short you 'might' put some stock into a 1st flight but a 2nd flight at face value doesn't fill in the pieces all that much. (1st flight has some serious gaps too - could be a trailer queen that is completely in appropriate and undependable to do any serious driving in for example). People heavily depend on the 1st flight for enhancing resale value but not so much 2nd flight and below...
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How many points deduct for an incorrect not available in 69 Laguna Gray paint color?? 
For the NCRS award to mean anything at all you should find out when it was received and whether it was at a chapter, regional or national meet. There can be a big difference in judging standards at a chapter vs national meet. (Emphasis on "can".. could be the same judge at both, could be an inexperienced judge at chapter, definitely an experienced judge at national)
The judging sheets could be helpful, but I wouldn't assume anything based merely on the car having received a flight award in its past.
For the NCRS award to mean anything at all you should find out when it was received and whether it was at a chapter, regional or national meet. There can be a big difference in judging standards at a chapter vs national meet. (Emphasis on "can".. could be the same judge at both, could be an inexperienced judge at chapter, definitely an experienced judge at national)
The judging sheets could be helpful, but I wouldn't assume anything based merely on the car having received a flight award in its past.
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Originally Posted by PRND21
How many points deduct for an incorrect not available in 69 Laguna Gray paint color??
