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Old 08-27-2003, 10:47 PM
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FYI -- Some folks in the C4s For Sale section are suspicious about recent contacts they have had from out-of-country buyers for their Corvettes:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=637860
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=637594
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Old 08-28-2003, 02:13 AM
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This happened to me this past Spring when I was selling my Yellow '80. Had one person from South America and another from Africa both told me they were buying my car ASAP. I was to give them an account # so they could "credit" my account and somebody would be picking up the car the same day. When I told them the only way my car leaves my house is "cash in hand" OR they could send a bank check, and ONLY and WHEN it clears(10 days-2 weeks), they could come get the car, I did'nt hear from them again. Hmmmmmmm................................ :D
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Old 08-28-2003, 07:49 PM
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Same thing here, only two days ago a guy buying cars, boats, RV's etc from South Africa wanted to buy my 59 elcamino, I threw a high price at him and he agreed to buy it and gave me a phone ### to call him...i haven't called him yet....THANKS for the info :cheers:
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This happened to my employees father. He had a BMW M5. Someone from over in Saudi Arabia says they want to buy it. They saw it listed in the NY Times. The bank caught it at the last minute. Minor losses and inconvienence.
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Old 08-29-2003, 03:26 PM
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Me too, only for an engine I'm selling on another board. As soon as I said "cash & carry" all correspondence halted. :lol:
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Old 08-31-2003, 11:49 AM
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The same thing happend to my sis, excpet in her situation she placed an ad on the net to stud out her champion Bull Mastiff. Some dude from S. Africa emailed her and said he was very interested in just buying her dog...and he had already made all the arrangements to buy & pick up...she never got back to the wacko.
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Old 08-31-2003, 12:23 PM
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Thanks for the heads-up.
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Old 09-08-2003, 07:22 PM
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That is amazing I have never heard of this one takes all kinds thanks :cheers:
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Old 09-12-2003, 09:42 AM
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Happened to me as well when I posted on autotrader.com
The guy I actually sold the car to was from the local area and turned out to be a fraud investigator for a bank. While we were completing the deal I told him about the e-mail's from S. Africa. He told me a lot of people were getting scammed by this.
The way it works is they send you a boggus bank check for quite a bit more than the asking price. When you deposit it your bank thinks its real and release it the money. Then you are to write a check to the freight company to pick it up and they cash it, but never pick up the car. After your bank finds out the check is not real they take the money from you.

Morral of the story show me the money and you can take the car.
I sent the guy I sold it to all the e-mails but it will be hard for them to track it down because they keep changing their address.
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Old 09-12-2003, 10:47 PM
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:mad Thanks for posting everyone.
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Old 09-13-2003, 05:39 PM
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It just happened to me yesterday. Some dude from South Africa emailed me regarding the Sprint car I'm selling on a different site. Said he wanted to buy it and would send a check to my bank. If it wasn't for this message board, I might fall for it but because I've read all of the above posts, I was aware of the scam and didn't email him back.
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... If it wasn't for this message board, I might fall for it but because I've read all of the above posts, I was aware of the scam and didn't email him back.
:cheers: And welcome to Corvetteforum.Com! :D
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Now I'm shaking in my boots. I listed my 72 on Feebay and the bid that has broke reserve is from Holland. He did email me and indicate if he wound up being high bidder, he wanted to ship the car to Holland, however he is a feebay newbie, and oddly enough his email address has a Russian suffix (.ru) whereas if he's really in Holland, it should be (.nl).
Is anyone here familiar with overseas sales. What is the most secure way possible to recieve payment in this situation? I can promise this, the car will NOT leave my garage until me and my bank are satisfied that the funds are legit.
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Old 09-15-2003, 12:31 AM
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I got those scam's so often i took my 29 coupe off all the free sites- once i got two within 24hrs of posting--ALWAYS tell em you do not release the veh till you have the cash and do NOT send them any money--Glenn ps may again try e-bay with the coupe but will hold my breath :mad
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Old 09-17-2003, 09:40 AM
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Is anyone here familiar with overseas sales. What is the most secure way possible to recieve payment in this situation? I can promise this, the car will NOT leave my garage until me and my bank are satisfied that the funds are legit.
I sold something overseas and it went smooth. I listed the payment options with the Ebay ad as being Paypal, Bidpay, or certified funds. When the overseas winnner emailed me, I insisted on Paypal or nothing. He registered on Paypal and sent the $$. I did not ship untill the $$ was in my hands. Shipping overseas was very expensive too....but he paid the $130.00 for a 4lb item.
Good Luck Joe
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Old 09-17-2003, 10:42 PM
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Actually, the buyer from Holland got outbid in the last 15 seconds by someone here in the states. So I'm not going to have to deal with it.
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this scam happened to me today! some british "business woman" deals in chevrolet. wanted to wire the money.
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The following is a completed transation of the type you are referring to:

Hello Hevychvy,

Barry Collin is interested in your ad #3340

Title: http://www.ar-auto.com/show_ad_info.php?AID=3340

Contact Info:
Phone number: 011 234 1 776 6415
Best time to call: working hours
E-mail address: [email protected]

Message from Sender:
Dear Sir/Madam, My name is Barry Collin an automobile procurement agent that
specialise in the purchase and shipping of vehicles, bikes,boats, yachts,
heavy machines and car parts to our numerous customers worldwide. We have a
customer interested in purchasing your vehicle(1993 Chevrolet Corvette )
mentioned above. Please acknowledge the offer and get back with your last
asking price. On your acknowledgement and confirmation to proceed, we will
forward your particulars to our client and send you payment modalities
according to his instructions. Itís important to note that our client will
pay all our fees, and you do not have any obligation of payment to us and
attach more photos as soon as possible. Thanks and have a nice day, Barry.

------------------------------------------------
Note:
To reply to the ad, you may simply hit reply button.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collins" <[email protected]>
To: Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:12 AM
Subject: 1993 Corvette convertible /CLIENT'S PAYMENT DETAILS

Hello There,
I appreciate your mail and confirmation to proceed on the transaction. I am
impressed by the prompt attention accorded the transaction considering the
need for us to round up on time.

My client has accepted to pay the stipulated price immediately with a
cashierís check, just that the check, is going to be in an amount larger
than the cost of the vehicle. Reason being that it is a refund payment to my
client and the Company issuing the check has the policy not to issue more
than one check to a refund payment, which means that the check is going to
carry the whole amount em-block for the sales and shipping of the vehicle
from your base. That's home pickup.

The check that will be sent to is $25,200.00 and you would have to deduct
the cost of your vehicle $18,500.00 from it immediately you cash it and send
the balance $6,700.00 to my client via wire transfer (Western Union /
MoneyGram) to offset the shipping charges. So he is entrusting you to handle
his funds with honesty, care and utmost confidentiality.

Then you are required to send your full Name, which should be on check,and
the address where the check is going to be sent to you and your contact
telephone numbers for fast communication. On receipt of this information,
the check will be sent to you. After you send the balance, the shipper will
be paid and they will come and pick up the vehicle immediately.

Ask question where you are not cleared. I would be there to explain further.

Looking forward to rounding up this transaction as soon as possible.

Thanks and have a wonderful day.

Yours sincerely,

Barry Collin.


My reply:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill"
To: "Barry Collins" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: 1993 Corvette convertible /CLIENT'S PAYMENT DETAILS

Hello There 'Barry'

The thing that would make my day the happiest would be for you to be here,
so I could kick your butt up between your shoulder blades for attempting this
scam on me.

I mean that Sincerely,

Bill
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Old 09-25-2003, 06:41 PM
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Nice reply. Have you brought the FBI in?
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I've bought cars and parts from you guy's in the States before and deals have gone well

To you guy's selling.....if you have one doubt in your mind about the buyer....don't go through with it unless they can get the cash to you
up front so you can touch it(spend it).

Money talks.. walks

If someone wants your ride that hard they'll find a way to get the cabbage to 'ya
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