Is the bodyshop bs'ing me?
09-15-2006, 03:29 PM
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Condensation and moisture after 20 years??? 
First, C4's are not fiberglass, they are some other composit material and I'm sure someone will jump in with the correct name.
Also, since all C4's are made of the same material how many other cars have you seen with the same defect in the paint. I think its just poor prep work.
First, C4's are not fiberglass, they are some other composit material and I'm sure someone will jump in with the correct name.
Also, since all C4's are made of the same material how many other cars have you seen with the same defect in the paint. I think its just poor prep work.
09-15-2006, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jrzyvet
Yeah he is pretty full of it. If the car had been prepped correctly this would never happen.
09-15-2006, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jrzyvet
Yeah he is pretty full of it. If the car had been prepped correctly this would never happen.
Second, hound his azz till he gets it right.
09-15-2006, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by VetteUSA
Yes, the painter is full of it. btw, the corvette is SMC.
09-15-2006, 03:49 PM
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Sheet Molding Compound.
Here's a CF link to a recent discussion.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1483299
Here's a CF link to a recent discussion.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1483299
09-15-2006, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by vancityguy
what does SMC stand for so i can tell the guy when i talk to him, he says they had a paint specialist analyze the car...
or sheet molded composite...
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09-15-2006, 04:45 PM
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Pure BS. Sorry to hear about this because it only means one thing: he has no idea how to paint. It IS all about prep. Either, he's letting in dirt, dust and most importantly in your case, moisture (and quite a bit of it to make it bubble) or he's got a problem paint booth area, and doesn't know it. Whichever it is, he's not good at what he does.
SMC may be different, (stress: may), but I've seen bubbles form in glass Vettes literally years later. So be glad for one thing: it happened almost right away.
Next time tho, and this is for all of us, you need to check out the long term work of a "painter" to see how they REALLY DO THEIR WORK. No flames plz, but it gets more and more difficult to put on a really high quality job, and is almost impossible at Backyard Joe's (I realize yours isn't being done at a Backyard JOe's).
Good luck and I hope you get it resolved.
SMC may be different, (stress: may), but I've seen bubbles form in glass Vettes literally years later. So be glad for one thing: it happened almost right away.
Next time tho, and this is for all of us, you need to check out the long term work of a "painter" to see how they REALLY DO THEIR WORK. No flames plz, but it gets more and more difficult to put on a really high quality job, and is almost impossible at Backyard Joe's (I realize yours isn't being done at a Backyard JOe's).
Good luck and I hope you get it resolved.
09-15-2006, 04:55 PM
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SMC has fiberglass in it, and I still call it fiberglass despite knowing its slightly different, so I wouldnt crucify him for calling it that.
With either, its in the prep work. If he painted it too soon, or used the wrong prep products before putting paint on, then this can happen easily. It specifically happens when repairs are made to the part, as the stuff they use to get fiberglass/SMC to fill gaps doesnt bond to paint that well.
Anyway, the guy is full of it, it should not be doing that and him saying its going to continue is crap. If its done properly and with care this doesnt happen.
With either, its in the prep work. If he painted it too soon, or used the wrong prep products before putting paint on, then this can happen easily. It specifically happens when repairs are made to the part, as the stuff they use to get fiberglass/SMC to fill gaps doesnt bond to paint that well.
Anyway, the guy is full of it, it should not be doing that and him saying its going to continue is crap. If its done properly and with care this doesnt happen.
09-15-2006, 05:01 PM
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Welll, I think the good news is that they've been around awhile. And you've brought it back, and to their credit, they've owned up to the problem.
I don't think they want to have you come back again (at least, with the same problem). So, this time, they may take some extra effort to do it right, even if itakes them extra time and extra controlled condtions.
Depending on how many Corvettes he's painted in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if he calls around to ask others in the industry how to paint this so that it doesn't come back to him again. And he may learn something new. Or, he may ask his paint companies whose reps should know, or will find out for him.
Every do-over is a cost to a business, a big cost. Most profit is lost in a do-over. They definitiely don't want to do it a third time. If the owner is smart, he'll do it right this time.
If it were me, I'd go in and ask him (ask) to do the best he can and if he's "heard of " any new methods to apply to the Corvette (SMC). You could just toss out a line as an aside, SMC may be a little different than most other cars. It might catch his attention.
If he's had problems with fiberglass spoilers and body kits (my assumption) though, it means he's not up to snuff on technique, plain and simple.
I don't think they want to have you come back again (at least, with the same problem). So, this time, they may take some extra effort to do it right, even if itakes them extra time and extra controlled condtions.
Depending on how many Corvettes he's painted in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if he calls around to ask others in the industry how to paint this so that it doesn't come back to him again. And he may learn something new. Or, he may ask his paint companies whose reps should know, or will find out for him.
Every do-over is a cost to a business, a big cost. Most profit is lost in a do-over. They definitiely don't want to do it a third time. If the owner is smart, he'll do it right this time.
If it were me, I'd go in and ask him (ask) to do the best he can and if he's "heard of " any new methods to apply to the Corvette (SMC). You could just toss out a line as an aside, SMC may be a little different than most other cars. It might catch his attention.
If he's had problems with fiberglass spoilers and body kits (my assumption) though, it means he's not up to snuff on technique, plain and simple.
09-15-2006, 05:01 PM
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^^^ well ill talk with him again and say i've consulted with many ppl in the industry and specifically ppl who work on vettes and they say that this should not happen ever and its all due to poor prep work...
09-15-2006, 05:22 PM
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He is pizzing on your leg and telling you it is rain. The only panel that has been known to "wick" moisture thru it is the hood. Sometimes oil, powersteering fluid etc can be flung up on the underside of the hood. Alot of it, left for a long time can seep up and break the paint bond. It is very unusual on an smc car, but happens from time to time. It was a much bigger issue on old style, classic fiberglass.
09-15-2006, 05:27 PM
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print off this forum thread and take it in to show him too. Sometimes it helps to show multiple opinions that state the same thing. Poor prep work. Don't make him mad, but get the point across that you know it is possible to have the job done right and if he can't do it then have him cover the cost of someone else who can. My $.02
09-15-2006, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LT4CompYell
Welll, I think the good news is that they've been around awhile. And you've brought it back, and to their credit, they've owned up to the problem.
I don't think they want to have you come back again (at least, with the same problem). So, this time, they may take some extra effort to do it right, even if itakes them extra time and extra controlled condtions.
Depending on how many Corvettes he's painted in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if he calls around to ask others in the industry how to paint this so that it doesn't come back to him again. And he may learn something new. Or, he may ask his paint companies whose reps should know, or will find out for him.
Every do-over is a cost to a business, a big cost. Most profit is lost in a do-over. They definitiely don't want to do it a third time. If the owner is smart, he'll do it right this time.
If it were me, I'd go in and ask him (ask) to do the best he can and if he's "heard of " any new methods to apply to the Corvette (SMC). You could just toss out a line as an aside, SMC may be a little different than most other cars. It might catch his attention.
If he's had problems with fiberglass spoilers and body kits (my assumption) though, it means he's not up to snuff on technique, plain and simple.
I don't think they want to have you come back again (at least, with the same problem). So, this time, they may take some extra effort to do it right, even if itakes them extra time and extra controlled condtions.
Depending on how many Corvettes he's painted in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if he calls around to ask others in the industry how to paint this so that it doesn't come back to him again. And he may learn something new. Or, he may ask his paint companies whose reps should know, or will find out for him.
Every do-over is a cost to a business, a big cost. Most profit is lost in a do-over. They definitiely don't want to do it a third time. If the owner is smart, he'll do it right this time.
If it were me, I'd go in and ask him (ask) to do the best he can and if he's "heard of " any new methods to apply to the Corvette (SMC). You could just toss out a line as an aside, SMC may be a little different than most other cars. It might catch his attention.
If he's had problems with fiberglass spoilers and body kits (my assumption) though, it means he's not up to snuff on technique, plain and simple.
i'll inform him SMC is a bit diff than traditional fiberglass and was told the application process can be somewhat hard and greater care is required...
