zr1fred

I don't have a new Camaro, don't care for them. I do have a LS Camaro and a LT4 (and a LT5). I'll guarantee the LT4 won't wipe the floor with an LS1. Take an average LT1 with an average driver, with average conditions, most of the will turn 15's. With a little practice and experience and tweeking they can get into the low 14's. Low 14's look awful slow from behind.

JohnTVette

15's? Are you just making this stuff up to annoy someone?

I stalled an 85 vette at the light, started it back up, and still ran a 14.8. If anyone runs a 15 in an LT1, they were only going half throttle the whole way.

pologreen1

I can't post the video on youtube of the 2010 camaro whooping a 2004 vette with out getting the gods upset, so if you want I can pm it to you.

polomitchell17 is the uploader channel of the vid.

1Asterisk

Here's vs the LS1 on what appears to be a closed track section.

Mohammed_z

^^ lol that's in saudi.

bac22

It's amusing how these kinds of threads grow in life, when all said and done, both cars are, for the most part, selling to different markets...each car has it's pluses and minus.

RedLS1GTO

I try not to get into the internet racing arguments... but that is an absolutely ignorant statement. Unless maybe you are running at Bandimere in Colorado (even then I don't think it would be that bad) there is no way that an LT1 or LT4 C4 is in the 15 second range.

My 100% stock, 130k mile 87 L98 with garbage tires ran in the low 14s all day long with me (not John Force) behind the wheel. I made a hundred passes or so in that car and it never made a single one in the 15s.

RedLS1GTO

Just for sh*ts and grins... a comparison of a few cars with the same driver at the same track (all runs made at Edgewater Dragway in Cincinnati)

My fastest ever in the 87 was a 14.01, with really good DA, a good track, and a great launch. My fastest time in my 2004 GTO with a K&N CAI (no other mods) was a 13.4. Again, a really good evening run. With a set of stickies it would have been a lot faster... I'm guessing in the 13.1 range if not a little quicker. That car was terrible to try to hook up with the factory tires on it. I haven't made many passes in my 02 Z06. When I did run it, it was 100% stock including the F1SC tires. The fastest I went was a 12.5 @ 116. I was not launching the car hard at all, and the 5 year old tires tires were not cooperating.

On a side note, the car I'll be tuning this weekend runs in the high 5s @ about 240 mph.

zr1fred

If you're going to quote me, at least use the rest of the quote. "with a little practice and experience and tweeking they can get in the low 14's." Most drivers never do see a drag racing track, and when they do it's a humbling experience. And, they never talk about that 16.2, it's all about that one 14.3 they ran after 20 runs (or that 14.7 they ran next). But, this is the internet and even the rawest newbie can run within .2 of the best drivers. You may not be a John Force, but I don't think I'd call you an average racer either.

cv67

Freds got a point.


How many guys you see take their car out hoping for a 13 sec run that they see similar cars run here and post they ran a 14 or 15. They tell their friends they are going out to the track then you dont hear from them for awhile.

It happens a lot when youre new.

Have a 15.2 slip somewhere from my 89 first run ever and that was a brainless auto to drive. Never posted that one.

RedLS1GTO

I'm no John Force, but with cars of the level of a L98 Vette (no, I don't mean that as an insult) I never found it hard. My first time drag racing was when I was 17 in a 2.8 Camaro... we won't talk about that. I went from there to a 95 Z/28 auto. I hopped in the 87 when I was 19 and my first pass was in the 14.5 range.

I guess I was either just good or lucky to pick it up quickly.

I do agree 100% if you are talking about a car that is hard to drive (like my 04 GTO). I wrestled that thing every time I made a pass. Sometimes I would be in the mid 13s, sometimes I wouldn't even bother running it out all the way because it was so bad off of the line. I just never had a problem in the C4. The ones that I see this happen with the most often are the Mustang guys. It seems like they either really get it right, or don't get it at all.

Redghost

Bench Racing



Back in the late 60's, I had a stone stock, 1958 Chevy Impala, w/348. The first time out, it was "hang your head", because it did buttom 17's. But, a little turning and it was 16's, and then 15's. With alittle bit of work here and there, it finally got to where it ran mid 14's, most of the time, and it was still "stone stock".

I think we all know that you can take two exact cars and they will run totally different times. It's just the way it is.

PS. I wish I had that old '58 Chevy Impala today.

cv67

Red my first 60ft was like 2.6 or something like that/manually shifting too which slowed me down . Spin city. You know, torque monster stuff

96LT4

Would I run a new Camaro SS in my LT4, yep. Would he lose, yep. They have more HP, but alot more weight. It's like chasin Oprah from a salad bar.

If I want to abuse them, I'll pull out the 95 Z and give them a head start.

JohnTVette

Going to an 8th mile track tonight and a 1/4 mile track on sunday. This will be the last runs before the cam/heads/intake/elecwp work. It's nice and hot (pushing 100), so I don't know how much that'll effect it.

Like I said, it's already run faster in the 8th than my 06 GTO did. So say what you will, the LT4 seems to be able to back it up.


Oh, and 15's in an auto LT1 is still rubbish. Even with waxed tires it'll still run better than that. One or two people may have done it, but that doesn't account for "most". "Most" will run right around a 14 flat in those cars.

MikeSVO

I'm sort of with Fred, since I know the track can REALLY put you in your place. But I think it would be fair to add that if you're getting 15 second timeslips in an LT1 car, you need to learn how to drive the thing at the strip (which, admittedly, is something that's probably not on your average Corvette owners to-do list).

I'm also surprised that the LT4s cars run that hard! That's sweet! (runs off to search for 'LT1 to LT4 conversion' threads)

93Rubie

I would not call that a whooping, the video I watched they were basically neck and neck the Corvette maybe a half a car length behind. FYI, street racing does not count in my book. The tension and stress of the actual track and facing the crowds/Christmas tree, makes a BIG difference.

93Rubie

You do have a good point ZR1Fred, but I have a personal counter point. My first time ever at the drag strip was with my Corvette and I raced my buddy in his Mustang. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiUIasHBtbM

I had a 1 second reaction time, but still ran a 13.8 at just over 100 MPH. I had to chase him and and I still beat him to the line. FIRST TIME EVER WITH ANYTHING.

Second Run 14.3 missed 4 got 6th.
Third run 13.6
Fourth Run 13.6 All those passes on my first night at the track ever with any car.

Was it humbling, yes it was. But LT1's running 15's and 14's, that sir is BS. The proof is in the pudding and I am the pudding. Maybe I got some hidden talent, IDK, but first timer at the drag strip with a 300hp LT1 ZF6 93 Corvette 13.6 is pretty good. My buddy was impressed, so was I. My sixties sucked, still working on that and getting better.

While we are internet racing check this out...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvN6WUTAgu0&NR=1

The guy with the Vette won, why, he could handle his HP they guy in the Mustang could not. DRIVER MOD.

RetiredSFC 97

Funny, the new SS has the same "published" numbers as my 12 year old C5 LS1 FRC!

Yeah it's groundbreaking alright

92ZR1WANNABE

Here is my average LT1 (not a LT4) wiping the floor with a average LS1 with a average driver.

Just saying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4X4wqCq3b4