Tom400CFI

Dude.
Did you even open the links that I posted?? I don't have a picture. I posted links. Should I print the links, scan them, upload them to photo shop, and then post here?? Will that make the data in the links I posted, more valid? Give us a break here.
HERE is the only C&D article that I can find, and spec/performance chart HERE showing a 1/4 mile figure of 13.5...and more importantly, @105. 105 is not getting you into the 12's on street tires in most cases. My car will trap 105.....which brings me back to my original post/challenge that it would be a killer day at the track.



Well, that is the very definition of "LORE"; regurgitated stories passed on and on and on...w/o fact checking. There is a plethora of it; batteries go dead on concrete. Cars overheat when coolant circulates too fast. L98's are king sht of all low RPM tq monsters. LORE runs rampant on these (and other) forums...but that doesn't make LORE, fact. You accuse me of not having "fact" (after I posted links containing hard data)...then you peddle C2 LORE...as fact. What is going on here??

I have NO DOUBT that there are some BB C2's and C3's that will go into the 12's. I think that I've said that several times in this thread. I have seen no evidence that many (if any) have gone 12's box stock, (BOX stock), on polyglass, bias ply, stock tires. I think cars that have gone into the 12's have done so on some kind of slick tire. That in no way takes away from the bad assedness of the BB Cars. They are truly, FBA.

Whether I'm right or wrong, whether I would win or lose, *I* think it would be a heck of a fun car-guy day, to line up MY '92 LT1, against a box stock + modern radial street tire BB C2 or C3.

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MavsAK

The only 12 second or less C2 and 3s have the Aluminum BBC in them..
Not a 396, not a 427, not a 454.
The 60s cars are ALL (Chevy, Ford, Dodge) just inflated hype using gross hp, crap limp chassis and crap suspension.

Yes they're cool. But they aren't as fast as a C4 and up.
The C4 is when the Muscle Cars were equaled in terms of straightline performance, before the Muscle cars were completely eclipsed by the end of the C4's run. There's a reason for that, and it's not just what kind of rubber the C4 was sporting versus the C3 and 2s.

I'm building a BBC stroker. It has amazing potential as a build platform...but as far as what it came from the factory as? It wasn't anything to write home about, compared to an L98, LT1, B2K, LT5, or LT4.

QCVette

I just was looking through a bunch of old magazines and I found:

April 1969 Hot Rod

Titled: Super-Hot Test: L-88 Corvette

1/4 mile was 13.56 at 111.10

It was an odd mix. It was the L-88 motor with a turbo 400 and a 3.36 rear end.

Tires were a 9.20 x 15 Firestone Indy-type

Average fuel economy was 8.30 mpg.


In Road & Track Feb. 1986 they did a comparison of an '86 to an L-88 69.

The '86 went 14.4 at 96

The '69 L-88 went 14.1 at 107

They also listed some data from Car Life (a companion publication of Road & Track)

'69 LT1 (370hp) = 14.4 at 99.9
'69 L71 (435hp) = 13.9 at 105.6
'69 L88 (430hp) = 14.1 at 106.9

Road & Track also listed a skidpad number
'69 427 = 0.76g
'86 L98 = 0.91g


I also found a bunch of other " muscle car" tests.

A '65 GTO and '65 2+2 Pontiacs. Both ran in the 15's (the 2+2 beat the GTO) (My non stock '64 GTO ran low 12's)
A '67 Firebird 400 that also ran in the 15's. (My non stock ran mid 12's)

There were a bunch of other interesting tests. It is amazing how things have changed in 40 or 50 years.

Tom400CFI

Great fact checking. Good data pool there, IMO.


It really is. People's memories of how things were isn't always...how things were. We have access to incredible cars these days.

ovrebo1

LOL thanks to that article I just ordered myself and some friends a piece of Corvette history

https://store.corvettemuseum.com/detail.aspx?ID=5097

zr1fred

I remember that article, it was considered a joke then, and now 30 years later through the magic of the internet, here it is again. I don't think Road and Track got any respect after that. Fishing lures are designed to catch fishermen, and car magazines are designed to catch advertising dollars.

Tom400CFI

Just curious if all the other tests were "jokes" too?


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crowz

Video don't lie.

Fun to watch no matter what your opinion is.

crowz

Not exactly on topic but found wild. New zr1 vs Cadillac station wagon. They ran the same times. Wild.

crowz

And 11.41 @ 121 goes to the 69 L88 monster vette. Stock.

whalepirot

Where's the Hijack button?

zr1fred

Try thinking of it as an evolution rather than an revolution. The OP was pretty much answered back in post #15.

Ozzstar

Exactly what I was starting to think Whale. To all reading this please stay on topic about the C4's value and future desireability. Thank you for your cooperation, the management. :-)

ps374

I dont ever see the C4 becomes as a C1,2or 3 in value. Unless your have s special lilited edition such as a ZR1 or Grand Sport most all of us will loose what ever money we have invested in our C4s. They are a great Corvettes IMO and have kept pace with many of the newer performance cars. I think most C4 owners should be thrilled if we can even break even when we trade up and let go of our C4 for another corvette.

zr1fred

Saying the C4 values will rise because the NCM restored the millionth Corvette is like saying a lottery winner is a financial genius because he made a million dollars last year.

QCVette

It is only a partial hijack.

One of the issues relating to future value or if they are collectable was performance. So comparing C4 performance to some of the earlier cars may tie in to whether they may have similar gains in value or not.

Who knows?

Tom400CFI

Sorry I'll start another thread.

C4's will go up in value, some day. Not today.

crowz

My vid postings were in response to the older vettes not performing that great in comparison to the c4. Well except for the new zr1 vs the caddy station wagon, couldn't resist putting that one in there when I saw it looking for vids of the older vettes running real 1/4 mile runs.

I love my c4. Heck this is my 2nd one and no regrets. But I don't see them ever becoming a real collectors car.

MavsAK

Aluminum 427 BBC, is the only exception really.
And you can hardly call it a production car given just how few of them there are out there. The L88 and L71s are two VERY different engines.

bb62

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