'96 Vette as a first car
11-21-2015, 04:00 PM
#81
I disagree. When we coddle the young we don't let them make the mistakes that they learn from. We are interfering with evolution and in the bigger picture (think not within the mere limited terms of our lifetimes which are statistically insignificant) I think that has the danger of dooming mankind.
As has been said, a Corvette, especially one as mild as most stock C4s, isn't that irrational or irresponsible other than perhaps the insurance cost. But beyond that as I've said, if he is reponsible and meant to survive, he probably will. If he does something and kills himself in a car, which he could in any car and I'd say not necessarily any more likelty in a C4 than a lot of other cars you'd probably not argue about, then perhaps that's what is supposed to happen.
As has been said, a Corvette, especially one as mild as most stock C4s, isn't that irrational or irresponsible other than perhaps the insurance cost. But beyond that as I've said, if he is reponsible and meant to survive, he probably will. If he does something and kills himself in a car, which he could in any car and I'd say not necessarily any more likelty in a C4 than a lot of other cars you'd probably not argue about, then perhaps that's what is supposed to happen.
...then, by that "logic" he needs a used Veyron, and all pilots should start out flying a Citation X.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:12 PM
#82
Melting Slicks
What about "The C4 is a Dog compared to modern cars" don't you understand?
We aren't talking about a C6, C7, Hellcat, or modern performance car.
We're talking about an aged sports car, which is only as quick as a modern sedan, but has the benefits of vastly better handling than most.
Have you driven a car built in the last 5 years? Ten? The C4 ain't fast man, no matter how hard you want to think otherwise. The only Fast C4s out there, have been modified at this point.
C4s aren't fast. A teenager is going to drive the car the way they are going to drive it regardless of if it's a C4, 2015 Camry, late model pickup (also a dog).
A C4 is hardly a Veyron..it's not even a Camaro SS.
There's kids I wouldn't trust with a VW Beetle, and there's others that I'd trust with a Veyron long before I would most adults.
It just depends on the kid in question.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:22 PM
#83
What about "The C4 is a Dog compared to modern cars" don't you understand?
We aren't talking about a C6, C7, Hellcat, or modern performance car.
We're talking about an aged sports car, which is only as quick as a modern sedan, but has the benefits of vastly better handling than most.
Have you driven a car built in the last 5 years? Ten? The C4 ain't fast man, no matter how hard you want to think otherwise. The only Fast C4s out there, have been modified at this point.
C4s aren't fast. A teenager is going to drive the car the way they are going to drive it regardless of if it's a C4, 2015 Camry, late model pickup (also a dog).
A C4 is hardly a Veyron..it's not even a Camaro SS.
There's kids I wouldn't trust with a VW Beetle, and there's others that I'd trust with a Veyron long before I would most adults.
It just depends on the kid in question.
We aren't talking about a C6, C7, Hellcat, or modern performance car.
We're talking about an aged sports car, which is only as quick as a modern sedan, but has the benefits of vastly better handling than most.
Have you driven a car built in the last 5 years? Ten? The C4 ain't fast man, no matter how hard you want to think otherwise. The only Fast C4s out there, have been modified at this point.
C4s aren't fast. A teenager is going to drive the car the way they are going to drive it regardless of if it's a C4, 2015 Camry, late model pickup (also a dog).
A C4 is hardly a Veyron..it's not even a Camaro SS.
There's kids I wouldn't trust with a VW Beetle, and there's others that I'd trust with a Veyron long before I would most adults.
It just depends on the kid in question.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:29 PM
#84
Melting Slicks
"kicking hard in the seat" Isn't impressive. That's Seat of the pants, and torque. That has nothing to do with the car's performance other than how it Feels.
They run in the low 14s and high 13s out of the box.
That's C4 territory.
You do realize new base corvettes bang out 60 in under 4 seconds right?
That Camaros are well into the MID 4 seconds?
5.3 to 5.6 seconds, to 60 mph, just isn't fast anymore, period.
That's why mine isn't stock.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:29 PM
#85
I am a junior in high school and I am wondering if a 1996 Corvette is a good idea. I am also wondering if it is possible to fit a C7 steering wheel and keep the airbag features. Are there any things I should know about either question, I just can't stand those early 90's steering wheels.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:30 PM
#86
What about "The C4 is a Dog compared to modern cars" don't you understand? NOTHING
We aren't talking about a C6, C7, Hellcat, or modern performance car.
We're talking about an aged sports car, which is only as quick as a modern sedan, but has the benefits of vastly better handling than most.
Have you driven a car built in the last 5 years?YES Ten?YES The C4 ain't fast man, no matter how hard you want to think otherwise. The only Fast C4s out there, have been modified at this point.
C4s aren't fast. No, but it's a sports car, and will be driven as such. Kids (and some adults on this forum) will have to push the envelope. I'd rather the kid get some experience walking before he flies. A teenager is going to drive the car the way they are going to drive it regardless of if it's a C4, 2015 Camry, late model pickup (also a dog). Agreed. With a LACK OF EXPERIENCE.
A C4 is hardly a Veyron..it's not even a Camaro SS.Ever hear of comparison by analogy? It's used in normal discussions.
There's kids I wouldn't trust with a VW Beetle, and there's others that I'd trust with a Veyron long before I would most adults.
It just depends on the kid in question.
We aren't talking about a C6, C7, Hellcat, or modern performance car.
We're talking about an aged sports car, which is only as quick as a modern sedan, but has the benefits of vastly better handling than most.
Have you driven a car built in the last 5 years?YES Ten?YES The C4 ain't fast man, no matter how hard you want to think otherwise. The only Fast C4s out there, have been modified at this point.
C4s aren't fast. No, but it's a sports car, and will be driven as such. Kids (and some adults on this forum) will have to push the envelope. I'd rather the kid get some experience walking before he flies. A teenager is going to drive the car the way they are going to drive it regardless of if it's a C4, 2015 Camry, late model pickup (also a dog). Agreed. With a LACK OF EXPERIENCE.
A C4 is hardly a Veyron..it's not even a Camaro SS.Ever hear of comparison by analogy? It's used in normal discussions.
There's kids I wouldn't trust with a VW Beetle, and there's others that I'd trust with a Veyron long before I would most adults.
It just depends on the kid in question.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:31 PM
#87
0-60 in 5 seconds is not fast for a modern car man. Seriously. A freaking Camry pulls to 60 in the 5s these days.
"kicking hard in the seat" Isn't impressive. That's Seat of the pants, and torque. That has nothing to do with the car's performance other than how it Feels.
They run in the low 14s and high 13s out of the box.
That's C4 territory.
You do realize new base corvettes bang out 60 in under 4 seconds right?
That Camaros are well into the MID 4 seconds?
5.3 to 5.6 seconds, to 60 mph, just isn't fast anymore, period.
That's why mine isn't stock.
"kicking hard in the seat" Isn't impressive. That's Seat of the pants, and torque. That has nothing to do with the car's performance other than how it Feels.
They run in the low 14s and high 13s out of the box.
That's C4 territory.
You do realize new base corvettes bang out 60 in under 4 seconds right?
That Camaros are well into the MID 4 seconds?
5.3 to 5.6 seconds, to 60 mph, just isn't fast anymore, period.
That's why mine isn't stock.
As far as vette make 0-60 in 5 seconds instead 2,9 she is however a supercar, powerfull, fast, and IMO she requires a little bit experience to drive it
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 04:36 PM
#88
I am sure there are many current family cars which can keep up with, or go faster than a c4. The issue is that not every idiot with a driver license wants to test the guy driving the Accord.
Guys who drive vettes know what this means.
Guys who drive vettes know what this means.
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11-21-2015, 04:40 PM
#89
Melting Slicks
Just what in the hell is he going to drive "before he flies"? when a FREAKING CAMRY, ACCORD, or ALTIMA, is as fast as a C4? Hell there's TRUCKS these days that are as fast as an 84 model C4, or faster.
If a kid is the type to drive dangerously, they're going to whether it's a VW Beetle, or sports car.
"He needs experience!" you say? With what exactly? An Average Every Day Car, is just as fast.
The only reason the C4 doesn't make a good first car, or good first only car, is maintenance. It takes either a good disposable income, to pay mechanics to maintain one (and there's quite a few shops that turn them away the second they see them, or hear about anything "complicated" that needs worked on), or decent wrench skills, and a still decent disposable income, to buy parts.
And then your car is down while you are waiting on parts to come in the mail.
THAT is why an old Corvette isn't a good first car. Not because it's "Some really fast car!" Because it isn't.
And that's ok. The newest C4 made is 19 years old.
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11-21-2015, 04:45 PM
#91
Melting Slicks
I get people that drive like jackasses, just as often in my C4 as I do my truck, where they drive like 10 under the speedlimit, then try to race you when you go around them in the passing zone.
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11-21-2015, 04:52 PM
#92
It is just my opinion
I would never give a Mustang to inexperienced horseman.
Same way i wouldn't give a Vette to an inexperienced driver.
Would stay with something less nervous
I would never give a Mustang to inexperienced horseman.
Same way i wouldn't give a Vette to an inexperienced driver.
Would stay with something less nervous
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-21-2015, 05:06 PM
#93
Location matters. A 96 is 300-330hp stock. It's a lot but nothing crazy. I was in school when vipers came out and a kid got to drive the Zr1 and viper, he also owned a camaro back then. Use your brain and respect it. The steering wheel is a $50 grant away.
There are commuter cars that are 300hp now. It's about condition and location.
There are commuter cars that are 300hp now. It's about condition and location.
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11-21-2015, 05:27 PM
#94
Le Mans Master
I drive a Vette. I've been tested exactly once, and it was in jest (the dude was driving an old pickup). Even if I wanted to race people on the street all the time, nobody will. So I guess I don't know what you mean.
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11-21-2015, 10:31 PM
#95
Team Owner
Pro Mechanic
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11-22-2015, 01:25 AM
#96
Melting Slicks
OK, guys, I think you scared him off.
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Rikmann (11-22-2015)
11-22-2015, 06:20 AM
#97
was not my intent. Just ensure that he has logical thought, thinking with head instead than heart.IMO if you had to get vette at all costs, the best advice i can give you, is to promise yourself to go on track every time you want to deeply push on throttle d
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11-22-2015, 09:19 PM
#99
What does this have to do with the original post? NOTHING
This thread has 73 replies to a post by a 23 year old {as per his profile} that says he is a junior in high school and has not replied to it in the last 2 pages. Let this thread die.
Could this have been started by a TROLL?
This thread has 73 replies to a post by a 23 year old {as per his profile} that says he is a junior in high school and has not replied to it in the last 2 pages. Let this thread die.
Could this have been started by a TROLL?
11-22-2015, 09:22 PM
#100
Maybe it only happens in c-5s, or in my area.
I routinely took my c-5 on 500-1000 mile road trips. I have seen it more than a few times, and not from guys in old pick up trucks.
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