C4 spherical bearing rear suspension upgrade
05-28-2017, 08:37 PM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
C4 spherical bearing rear suspension upgrade
Does anyone have any real time experience with spherical rod end upgrades? Apparently Newman Car Creations can press fit new rod ends into the OE dog bones but I can't seem to contact them and the website doesn't work for some reason
05-29-2017, 01:00 AM
#3
Safety Car
Since I get curious when you folks post stuff like this I went looking. There are references on the web that the guy retired. There is a video on youtube detailing his kit.
05-29-2017, 06:58 AM
#4
Safety Car
If you're looking for something, I know nothing of Neuman's product but I do know something about: https://www.banskimotorsports.com/
I've talked with Tom Urban from Banski about his kits and put the whole setup on my 86. That's the toe rod kit, camber rod kit and trailing arm kits on my car last winter. I don't know how much it would do with someone into drag racing but for someone that does things like autocross it would be an improvement over the original setup IMO.
Personally I like windy two lane blacktop roads to drive on and for that it's a great improvement over the original setup. After I put mine on I had a 4 wheel alignment done and the feedback I got was that it was very easy to set the alignment up on the car. After that I upgraded the rims and tires and it was well worth the time and expense IMO.
Hope that helps.
I've talked with Tom Urban from Banski about his kits and put the whole setup on my 86. That's the toe rod kit, camber rod kit and trailing arm kits on my car last winter. I don't know how much it would do with someone into drag racing but for someone that does things like autocross it would be an improvement over the original setup IMO.
Personally I like windy two lane blacktop roads to drive on and for that it's a great improvement over the original setup. After I put mine on I had a 4 wheel alignment done and the feedback I got was that it was very easy to set the alignment up on the car. After that I upgraded the rims and tires and it was well worth the time and expense IMO.
Hope that helps.
05-29-2017, 11:31 AM
#5
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Hi yes I've seen the Banski products and VBP also carries a similar spherical rod end.
My issue is that Im going to be ordering a chassis from SRiii for a 65/66 restomod build and I'm not sure if the aftermarket adjustable rods will fit. I seems that my options may limited to sectioning the OE rods( bog bones will fit as is ) but id like to upgrade to the special bearings as per the Newman video referenced earlier.
I'm just trying to do some homework before a take the leap..
My issue is that Im going to be ordering a chassis from SRiii for a 65/66 restomod build and I'm not sure if the aftermarket adjustable rods will fit. I seems that my options may limited to sectioning the OE rods( bog bones will fit as is ) but id like to upgrade to the special bearings as per the Newman video referenced earlier.
I'm just trying to do some homework before a take the leap..
05-29-2017, 11:44 AM
#6
Safety Car
My suggestion would be to simply contact them and see if the package is setup to use the entire C4 rear suspension (ie: toe and camber rods). If so, you are good to go with the VBP or Banski setup.
The issue that I saw with the Newman setup is that you cannot easily put dust covers on the spherical rod ends. I purchased those when I bought my Banski parts. While I do not intend to drive the car during bad weather, having those dust covers will prevent grit and stuff from getting into the bearings and promote longevity.
With that said, any COMPETENT machine shop should be able to convert existing components over to pressed in spherical rod ends. It is just a matter of sourcing the components, picking out ones that are big enough so that the machine shop could do a cleanup cut through the bores so a minimal press fit can be achieved. I would probably get big enough rod ends so that a cleanup cut could be done on them to aid in the press and build a fixture to aid in squaring the cut to center lines of the bearing.
All in all, that would probably cost more than just making a phone call to see if you can just use the ones from Banski.
That will end up being a nice ride. I wish I was a bit younger and still had my C2. That would be a way to really build a sweet ride.
The issue that I saw with the Newman setup is that you cannot easily put dust covers on the spherical rod ends. I purchased those when I bought my Banski parts. While I do not intend to drive the car during bad weather, having those dust covers will prevent grit and stuff from getting into the bearings and promote longevity.
With that said, any COMPETENT machine shop should be able to convert existing components over to pressed in spherical rod ends. It is just a matter of sourcing the components, picking out ones that are big enough so that the machine shop could do a cleanup cut through the bores so a minimal press fit can be achieved. I would probably get big enough rod ends so that a cleanup cut could be done on them to aid in the press and build a fixture to aid in squaring the cut to center lines of the bearing.
All in all, that would probably cost more than just making a phone call to see if you can just use the ones from Banski.
That will end up being a nice ride. I wish I was a bit younger and still had my C2. That would be a way to really build a sweet ride.
05-29-2017, 12:32 PM
#8
Safety Car
I would also call and talk to the folks from SRiii to ask them about the toe and camber setup. They would be the ones that definitively will give you an answer. If they say it is setup for stock C4 components (all components) then the Banski setup should do the trick.
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05-29-2017, 06:54 PM
#9
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Tom from banski actually replied.... the rods can be custom ordered to any desired length so I just need to confirm lengths with SRiii..... as long as all stock mounting holes are maintained there should be no issues ��
01-19-2019, 09:44 PM
#12
Le Mans Master
Kind of a thread resurrection here, but I run Banski products on my rear suspension. I would recommend them highly. Not only are the parts well made, Tom Urban gives great customer service has real engineering expertise. The bearings are also easily replaceable if they ever need it. VB&P is out of business. I don't know about the Newman products, but I do wonder why one would go through the trouble of pressing rod ends into stock control arms.