How much do they (C4's) cost to own?
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mark970 very nice video well done
What camera and editing system do you use? The video quality is very good. I use an old Sony Cyber Shot and I edit on an old computer, the memory is bad so it make it hard to edit. I am using Windows Movie Maker.
I owned my Corvette since new and wow it is a lot more expensive
What camera and editing system do you use? The video quality is very good. I use an old Sony Cyber Shot and I edit on an old computer, the memory is bad so it make it hard to edit. I am using Windows Movie Maker.
I owned my Corvette since new and wow it is a lot more expensive
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mark970 very nice video well done
What camera and editing system do you use? The video quality is very good. I use an old Sony Cyber Shot and I edit on an old computer, the memory is bad so it make it hard to edit. I am using Windows Movie Maker.
I owned my Corvette since new and wow it is a lot more expensive
What camera and editing system do you use? The video quality is very good. I use an old Sony Cyber Shot and I edit on an old computer, the memory is bad so it make it hard to edit. I am using Windows Movie Maker.
I owned my Corvette since new and wow it is a lot more expensive
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I did try out iMovie and Final Cut Pro X and both were much better than what I had but this was at our local library and I just did not have the time to edit plus I wasn’t sure what I was doing but both were much better to edit with.
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I use Magix. It's fairly user friendly and for the most part pretty cheap when it comes to editing software.
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Well, just to be a little obstinate, as my STATISTICS prof would say: one (or two) examples does not a trend make!
I'm NOT implying the OP's video is misleading. In fact I agree...to a point. BUT, it glosses over the difference between operating costs of a well maintained Vette (like his are) and one where the new owner is faced with playing "catch-uip" with possibly decades of neglect, or worse...a car previously owned and "modified" by some "Bubba"!
And...in spite of my babying my 95/M6 Vette - i.e., frequent oil changes, fluid maintenance, brakes, etc., an inherent flaw (according to Bill Boudreau) in some ZF/M6 transmissions caused it to lo freeze up at 70 mph.
So! I guess with the caveat that unexpected ("stuff") happens, even to and especially to older cars, and especially if not properly maintained before it was sold to the new owner, then I too am OK with the video (AND, can echo a lot of what is presented therein.)
New buyers:
These cars had a 12 year run. They were a significant departure from the previous generation - many firsts introduced by the C4, and a significant advancement in several technical and handling aspects!
They are between 22 to 33 years old. Super low miles w/o maintenance can be even more troublesome than a very high mileage car!
There were 5 different engines, 3 transmissions, coupes, convertibles, ZR-1, pre and post '91 body styles, two (three?) dash/interior styles, 3 significant suspension packages, and numerous add-on options available: i.e., lots of options to consider!
Do your research to know what is available and what issues to be especially cognizant of, especially for the year/model you're considering for purchase.
It goes a long way if you're comfortable with and have tools to do much of your own wrenching, OR at least you have someone that IS to test drive and go over the car before purchasing, AND you make the purchase of a Factory Service Manual (aka FSM) as part of the car purchase!
And, IMO, an older car might best be considered as a "hobby" unto itself. In other words, PLAN on replacing worn out parts. And, it is a good idea to have alternative transportation, i.e., don't depend too much on it as a DD! Just sayin...
I'm NOT implying the OP's video is misleading. In fact I agree...to a point. BUT, it glosses over the difference between operating costs of a well maintained Vette (like his are) and one where the new owner is faced with playing "catch-uip" with possibly decades of neglect, or worse...a car previously owned and "modified" by some "Bubba"!
And...in spite of my babying my 95/M6 Vette - i.e., frequent oil changes, fluid maintenance, brakes, etc., an inherent flaw (according to Bill Boudreau) in some ZF/M6 transmissions caused it to lo freeze up at 70 mph.
So! I guess with the caveat that unexpected ("stuff") happens, even to and especially to older cars, and especially if not properly maintained before it was sold to the new owner, then I too am OK with the video (AND, can echo a lot of what is presented therein.)
New buyers:
These cars had a 12 year run. They were a significant departure from the previous generation - many firsts introduced by the C4, and a significant advancement in several technical and handling aspects!
They are between 22 to 33 years old. Super low miles w/o maintenance can be even more troublesome than a very high mileage car!
There were 5 different engines, 3 transmissions, coupes, convertibles, ZR-1, pre and post '91 body styles, two (three?) dash/interior styles, 3 significant suspension packages, and numerous add-on options available: i.e., lots of options to consider!
Do your research to know what is available and what issues to be especially cognizant of, especially for the year/model you're considering for purchase.
It goes a long way if you're comfortable with and have tools to do much of your own wrenching, OR at least you have someone that IS to test drive and go over the car before purchasing, AND you make the purchase of a Factory Service Manual (aka FSM) as part of the car purchase!
And, IMO, an older car might best be considered as a "hobby" unto itself. In other words, PLAN on replacing worn out parts. And, it is a good idea to have alternative transportation, i.e., don't depend too much on it as a DD! Just sayin...
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i actually bought my cars and started my youtube channel as a hobby...and my goal is to inform and help new C4 Corvette owners...either directly or by providing them enough information to keep researching "their" specific problem or goal (and frankly, i'm learning a lot of this as i go as well...just to prove that with the right information and basic tools...just about anybody is capable of doing "something"). the information i offer on my channel will be shrugged off by seasoned owners and avid DIY'ers i know that...
it's all good, i know you weren't flaming me, but i did feel the need to elaborate
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I think it's a great topic. I was very interested in what this would cost when I bought mine, because there is a "Corvette premium" on some of this stuff. Avaliability was a concern. There's mucho weirdness that is unique to the C4. After you have it and you work through some of this stuff you stop worrying about it, but when you're looking or when you just bought one, it's a big issue.
20 & 30 year old cars are kind of a gamble anyway. I mean, something that old can have a 2K problem at the drop of a hat.. Or not. There's a gambling aspect to it all and people who can't accept that probably shouldn't be in the hobby.
It was such a concern when I got mine that I sat down to do something like Mark did here and the number I came up with to restore a ragged out 85 was about $6500 bucks, if the owner does all the work.
It seemed like a good price, and it didn't all have to come at once, so I just did it. But I know prices and "OMZ!! Will this be a money pit?" seem to dominate the general questions people post here when they first sign up. It's like a mechanical issue they can't figure out or they're wondering about costs and fishing for answers.
20 & 30 year old cars are kind of a gamble anyway. I mean, something that old can have a 2K problem at the drop of a hat.. Or not. There's a gambling aspect to it all and people who can't accept that probably shouldn't be in the hobby.
It was such a concern when I got mine that I sat down to do something like Mark did here and the number I came up with to restore a ragged out 85 was about $6500 bucks, if the owner does all the work.
It seemed like a good price, and it didn't all have to come at once, so I just did it. But I know prices and "OMZ!! Will this be a money pit?" seem to dominate the general questions people post here when they first sign up. It's like a mechanical issue they can't figure out or they're wondering about costs and fishing for answers.
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Here it is.. I did a thread on it at the time.
$ How Much to Fix Up a Junk C4? $
It's a big deal to people when they first get one.
$ How Much to Fix Up a Junk C4? $
It's a big deal to people when they first get one.
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Here it is.. I did a thread on it at the time.
$ How Much to Fix Up a Junk C4? $
It's a big deal to people when they first get one.
$ How Much to Fix Up a Junk C4? $
It's a big deal to people when they first get one.
i do try to help others, thats just my nature and thats exactly why i started my youtube channel...both to give me something to do and to help first-time buyers or people that may, up to this point...be afraid to try some DIY project. my cost analysis video is more specific to my situation but if i didnt make it clear, its about the "mandatory" expenses one should expect...if a person is buying it as a project, thats a whole different story.
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Verbal history of the 92 C4 I purchased in April. I don't have service records as the owner died before I actually viewed/ test drove/ picked up the car from his son. His son didn't know where dad kept his records (I left it at that, he's got enough to deal with).
51,000 mile car
Family owned since new
Iowa car
Stored covered all winters
Always garaged
New tires, replaced three years ago
Brake job, once
Bose Gold CD repair
New windshield
Alternator replaced
A/C unit fixed to stock - R12
All fluids changed except rear differential
Interior - as new!
Drives like a new car!
Paint - mint except for a few paint chips ( gonna happen, period)
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Since ownership:
Locking gas cap failed - drilled out keyway
Power antenna failed - cleaned/ lubed (good to go)
Had passenger transaxle u-joints replaced - cost (too much $590), but included was a mechanical check of all the drive train important items)
Known issues - Targa roof needs new weather stripping (doesn't leak, but getting worn) otherwise everything works on the car. On a side note, the lift for the rear hatch is getting weak (I can live with that).
Car included: Sport Seats, FX3 (it works) 3:07 gears. Auto tranny (hey I compromised) and Bose Gold
Purchase price - $9.5k - maintenance for this year $590 + $57 for a oil change (good until next year)
51,000 mile car
Family owned since new
Iowa car
Stored covered all winters
Always garaged
New tires, replaced three years ago
Brake job, once
Bose Gold CD repair
New windshield
Alternator replaced
A/C unit fixed to stock - R12
All fluids changed except rear differential
Interior - as new!
Drives like a new car!
Paint - mint except for a few paint chips ( gonna happen, period)
----------------------------------------------
Since ownership:
Locking gas cap failed - drilled out keyway
Power antenna failed - cleaned/ lubed (good to go)
Had passenger transaxle u-joints replaced - cost (too much $590), but included was a mechanical check of all the drive train important items)
Known issues - Targa roof needs new weather stripping (doesn't leak, but getting worn) otherwise everything works on the car. On a side note, the lift for the rear hatch is getting weak (I can live with that).
Car included: Sport Seats, FX3 (it works) 3:07 gears. Auto tranny (hey I compromised) and Bose Gold
Purchase price - $9.5k - maintenance for this year $590 + $57 for a oil change (good until next year)
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i do try to help others, thats just my nature and thats exactly why i started my youtube channel...both to give me something to do and to help first-time buyers or people that may, up to this point...be afraid to try some DIY project. my cost analysis video is more specific to my situation but if i didnt make it clear, its about the "mandatory" expenses one should expect...if a person is buying it as a project, thats a whole different story.
The carb guys with the previous generations don't have to deal with that to nearly the extent that the C4 on up guys do/will.