aklim

Believe me, I am worried about that too. My ABS light trips more than it should. Sometimes, sure. Going straight? Don't think so. However, while suggestions are to clean the sensor, I tend to worry that if I did and broke something or found something broke, I can't replace it.

I suppose I would have to try hope and pray a salvage unit is workable till the motor dies and that will have the car parted and scrapped or just scrapped depending on what needs work. My guestimate is that the next one I get will be a C6 and have less, till I can't drive anymore issues of "No Longer Available" or "Obsolete"

barbedwiredave

Not a bad plan

aklim

It's the only play I have left besides scrounging for salvaged parts and hoping it is going to give me reasonable life for the money. It gets old having to hear my parts guy say "Obsolete" or "No Longer Available" as a joke every time he sees me walk in followed by "What can I look up for you?"

Paul Workman

Well..."Huck", you might not have activated the ABS while "Driving Miss Daisy" for decades, but one example (yours) does not a trend make. Nor does it make you qualified as a "French model" (to categorize we more aggressive (or HPDE) drivers as "terrible or reckless either!)

aklim

Every time I hear the word "French", be it French Onion Soup, French Kiss, French Maid, etc, the word association for me is *****. You say French, and I associate it with *****. Not sure why.

bosshog8

I realize this is becoming a thread hijack so I apologize in advance to the OP.

ABS has also been proven to inspire recklessness due to the assumption "the car will save me". That sir is a fact!

What is also a fact is the unit is UNSERVICEABLE. If you think bleeding the air from a 30 year old part full of a hygroscopic fluid with more springs, o rings, solenoids, motors, cavities and moving parts than any other part in the brake system is service, then I would prefer to never drive near a car of yours.

I am also one of the only 2 people to answer the OP's question on this thread. So in the help dept. It's you who did nothing.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? A person can actually drive like a normal human being and not set off the ABS, huh!



An unserviceable 3 decade old ABS is a liability by a long shot. No one in their right mind would suggest you leave a 30 year old master cylinder in place without rebuilding it. Why then the sheep mentality that a infinitely more complex item be left as is?

It can and does fail causing severe braking issues, which is the most unsafe.

MatthewMiller

Well, there's a crap-ton of misinformation happening in this thread! Let's start with the most blatent: if you don't have ABS, the best braking performance is not done by "pulsing the brakes." You need to learn how to threshold brake. The fact that ABS pulses the brakes is irrelevant - it pulses many times faster than you can, and actually approximates threshold braking.

Next, ABS is better at threshold braking than any human driver. That's been demonstrated empirically over and over. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wrong. Every road race series that allows ABS has every entrant running it. Every. Single. One. This included F1 back when the rules allowed it - the best drivers in the world always opted for ABS (and traction control, too!), because they knew it was better than they were and without it they were not competitive.

If you've never been into the ABS, then you have no business telling everyone else about braking tech. Seriously. Just stop.

Ice mode is a thing, and it's what I assume some are referring to when they talk about a "rock hard pedal." No time to get into it now, but there's a great thread on it in the Autocross forum. But it's not generally going to happen with regular street tires on the car. It's really mostly a thing when using very high-grip race tires over big bumps. It won't "almost put you into a wall."

At least on my 96, the stock ABS system is really very good. In autocross or road racing you can lean on it and the car stops extremely well. On the street, it can save your *** and your car.

JrRifleCoach

Wheres the OP? He started this mess...

jetskibruce

I have a question Robert, connecting the three lines to the tee, from the side with three lines on the ABS unit, and union the two lines on the other side? Here is a link to the part on Amazon I found

Cjunkie

Let me get this right. You want to dump the ABS system out of your street car because you cant bleed it properly? I mean seriously?

C409

..... You will need to verify that you are connecting the correct lines together ... I don't remember which ones went where and now that the ABS pump is sitting on a shelf with no lines attached , I have no reference ... I used the schematics in the FSM and visually traced the hard lines to determine which went where ... there is obviously one line each (front & rear) from the master cyl to the ABS pump ... the front outputs to both sides separately and the rear has one output ... the fitting as shown in your Amazon link is the Tee fitting that works ... to facilitate future bleeding , try not to make any of the connections too high or peak up at any strange angles .....

barbedwiredave

PatternDayTrader

Stay out of the left lane. Your obstructing traffic.

MatthewMiller

Oh, okay. I didn't know about that issue. All I can say is that yes, for a 21+-year-old car you need to be prepared to service it or have it serviced. You need to at least be able to retrieve the codes that the EBTCM is storing. That kind of goes along with owning a classic (or near classic) car. But to each his own.
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Allow me to clarify. I was responding to BossHog's statement: "All the "automotive nanny" huggers replying to this thread must either be terrible or reckless drivers because in the several decades since ABS I have NEVER had the ABS on any car activate." What I'm saying is that someone who think he's never activated his ABS is either wrong and doesn't know it or has no useful driving experience to be commenting on this topic. Sorry for not being more clear.

PatternDayTrader

Lol ... ABS inspires recklessness ? Lol. No one counts on their car to save them. Lol.

Why would I fix components that are not broken ?

MatthewMiller

Oh! I forgot to comment on that. Yeah, I'd love to see the research that "proves that as fact" (btw, research never proves something as fact - he needs to brush up on scientific methodology). What's actually proven is that in a panic stop, the average driver locks up the brakes 9/10 times, and loses control of the car and increases its stopping distance. ABS has prevented an awful lot of wrecks.

aklim

I think he is talking about the article below. It also mentions something about improper use causing more issues. Not sure what to think at this point.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...er-risk-by-51/

barbedwiredave

[QUOTE=MatthewMiller;1595932742]Oh, okay. I didn't know about that issue. All I can say is that yes, for a 21+-year-old car you need to be prepared to service it or have it serviced. You need to at least be able to retrieve the codes that the EBTCM is storing. That kind of goes along with owning a classic (or near classic) car. But to each his own.
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Gotcha, thanks for the clarification and sorry for the misunderstanding on who you were replying to Unfortunately for the 91 and earlier cars there is no EBTCM codes stored and a rare specialty Kent-Moore tool is needed for the ABS unit.

aklim

[QUOTE=barbedwiredave;1595933072]You want a car this old and something has to give. You have to be willing to work with long wait for parts, if they are even available and scrounging around junkyards for questionable parts. If not, get something with more available parts and when the parts issue comes along and it gets irritating, rinse and repeat

MatthewMiller

This is not a rebuttal to you, because I know you're just giving me/us the heads up. But there's a metric ****-ton of things wrong with that article, and probably all the supposed research that they mention. Notice they don't actually cite much of it, btw? Anyway, this could be a whole thread unto itself. But citing research from 1994 when the whole concept of ABS was still very new to the US market is pretty asinine. suffice to say that if you steer yourself off the road with ABS, the problem is you and not the ABS. Actual research shows the biggest issue most drivers have with ABS is that it scares them when it activates, so they let off the brakes right at the time they should be trying to push the pedal through the firewall. That, again, is a driver error and not an inherent flaw of ABS. We have a driver training (or the lack thereof) problem in this country. People who think that ABS makes them more likely to wreck are one piece of evidence of that problem.