Why would a seller not want to provide a VIN?
08-24-2018, 03:24 PM
#21
Melting Slicks
I just finished this post and then I see the one below....he seems trusting
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...uspension.html
OP - the seller is a 1st class JO......find a nicer car closer
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...uspension.html
OP - the seller is a 1st class JO......find a nicer car closer
08-24-2018, 03:41 PM
#22
Burning Brakes
I would never consider anyone a serious buyer until they have actually looked at the car. Being 900 miles away is not his problem. It's his car he can do as he wishes. It's not like you are the only possible buyer. He owes you nothing. Forget it and move on.
08-24-2018, 03:43 PM
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08-24-2018, 03:48 PM
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You are a few numbers short. (5) Unfortunately almost all data bases etc are set up for the "modern" vin numbers. In many cases, add 0's to the end and it may... pull up???
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08-24-2018, 03:53 PM
#25
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Who is it???? LMAO
Who is not cooperating???
Is it a ZR1? lol
I'm kidding of course, but still hilarious.
Unless GS or ZR1 who cares, find a different one closer. L98's, LT's are a dime a dozen.
BTW, if I were him I would think you were a dreamer too. If you have don't have the funds to get this thing, and it's 900 miles away who knows.. Nothing against you, just stating my point of view in his shoes with buyers on stuff. Why would you need the VIN already unless just interested in the history of the car?
Have you talked numbers already? If you met on a price, I would assume he will share the VIN. meeting on price obviously means according to what the paper work will eventually tell.
Who is not cooperating???
Is it a ZR1? lol
I'm kidding of course, but still hilarious.
Unless GS or ZR1 who cares, find a different one closer. L98's, LT's are a dime a dozen.
BTW, if I were him I would think you were a dreamer too. If you have don't have the funds to get this thing, and it's 900 miles away who knows.. Nothing against you, just stating my point of view in his shoes with buyers on stuff. Why would you need the VIN already unless just interested in the history of the car?
Have you talked numbers already? If you met on a price, I would assume he will share the VIN. meeting on price obviously means according to what the paper work will eventually tell.
The point of this post is not to drag anyone's name thru the mud. I was merely trying to understand why a VIN would be so coveted when I can walk up to any car on the street and read it's VIN on the dash thru the windshield.
My bank gave me an amount they'd loan based on a base model 1996 so I explained to them it is an LT4 but they didn't understand the difference and said they'd run the numbers again if I provide them with a VIN (eight number in the VIN should be a 5 indicating an LT4 optioned car). That is why I asked seller for VIN. I don't expect them to loan full price, so I was prepared to supplement the difference myself.
After explaining this to seller, I asked what his bottom dollar is. But apparently this is not how it's done....
No worries, there are other cars out there. With VINs. Clearly visible though the windshield.
08-24-2018, 04:06 PM
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lol!
The point of this post is not to drag anyone's name thru the mud. I was merely trying to understand why a VIN would be so coveted when I can walk up to any car on the street and read it's VIN on the dash thru the windshield.
My bank gave me an amount they'd loan based on a base model 1996 so I explained to them it is an LT4 but they didn't understand the difference and said they'd run the numbers again if I provide them with a VIN (eight number in the VIN should be a 5 indicating an LT4 optioned car). That is why I asked seller for VIN. I don't expect them to loan full price, so I was prepared to supplement the difference myself.
After explaining this to seller, I asked what his bottom dollar is. But apparently this is not how it's done....
No worries, there are other cars out there. With VINs. Clearly visible though the windshield.
The point of this post is not to drag anyone's name thru the mud. I was merely trying to understand why a VIN would be so coveted when I can walk up to any car on the street and read it's VIN on the dash thru the windshield.
My bank gave me an amount they'd loan based on a base model 1996 so I explained to them it is an LT4 but they didn't understand the difference and said they'd run the numbers again if I provide them with a VIN (eight number in the VIN should be a 5 indicating an LT4 optioned car). That is why I asked seller for VIN. I don't expect them to loan full price, so I was prepared to supplement the difference myself.
After explaining this to seller, I asked what his bottom dollar is. But apparently this is not how it's done....
No worries, there are other cars out there. With VINs. Clearly visible though the windshield.
Not to make everyone even more paranoid, we have seen a couple of our local dealers get burned on forged lien releases lately. The most recent was a CTS, the people came in from texas Texas sold it to the dealer, had ALL the correct looking papers in place. Dealer paid them and 3 weeks later found out it was all bogus. And to be clear, the bank won the litigation and the dealer had to turn it back to them.
So.... If you get a title upon purchase and it has a lien release, call the bank to verify.
The computer can be a very good thing, but dishonest people that want to scam/lie have many tools at their disposal to reign havoc on the rest of us!
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08-24-2018, 04:08 PM
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08-24-2018, 04:11 PM
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I doubt it has anything to do with looking at a vin through the windshield, you are there in real life to see it. Most scammers are thousands of miles away and create everything electronically. Then make bogus ads, or even take loans etc against a car through electronic title loan places. Today's documents are not that hard to forge with the right program.
Not to make everyone even more paranoid, we have seen a couple of our local dealers get burned on forged lien releases lately. The most recent was a CTS, the [people in Texas sold it to the dealer, had ALL the correct looking papers in place. dealer paid them and 3 weeks later fond out was all bogus. And to be clear, the bank won the litigation and the dealer had to turn it back to them.
So.... If you get a title upon purchase and it has a lien release, call the bank to verify.
The computer can be a very good thing, but dishonest people that want to scam/lie have many tools at their disposal to reign havoc on the rest of us!
Not to make everyone even more paranoid, we have seen a couple of our local dealers get burned on forged lien releases lately. The most recent was a CTS, the [people in Texas sold it to the dealer, had ALL the correct looking papers in place. dealer paid them and 3 weeks later fond out was all bogus. And to be clear, the bank won the litigation and the dealer had to turn it back to them.
So.... If you get a title upon purchase and it has a lien release, call the bank to verify.
The computer can be a very good thing, but dishonest people that want to scam/lie have many tools at their disposal to reign havoc on the rest of us!
But imagine this, I drop $700 to fly 900 miles to look at a car, I like it, send the VIN to my bank who discovers it has a salvaged title and won't touch it. I've just wasted $700 on airfare and my time, all of which could easily have been avoided by getting the VIN beforehand.
08-24-2018, 04:25 PM
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08-24-2018, 04:31 PM
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Very good points. Scammers cause us all problems.
But imagine this, I drop $700 to fly 900 miles to look at a car, I like it, send the VIN to my bank who discovers it has a salvaged title and won't touch it. I've just wasted $700 on airfare and my time, all of which could easily have been avoided by getting the VIN beforehand.
But imagine this, I drop $700 to fly 900 miles to look at a car, I like it, send the VIN to my bank who discovers it has a salvaged title and won't touch it. I've just wasted $700 on airfare and my time, all of which could easily have been avoided by getting the VIN beforehand.
Somewhere along the line, you and he need to have some type of trust.... I am curious as to why he is taking a stance and what you asked or inquired about for him to not trust you?
08-24-2018, 04:35 PM
#31
Melting Slicks
A potential buyer needs a VIN to pull a Carfax report, secure financing through a lender, and confirm certain things like factory engine option (ie: LT1 vs LT4) -- all critical things to a buyer. Why would a seller refuse to provide a VIN to a serious buyer? It's not a SS#..... The only thing I can come up with is that they are hiding something. What am I missing here?
08-24-2018, 05:15 PM
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or even take loans etc against a car through electronic title loan places.
What is it that youre looking for, bet someone here could find it. This is a huge forum with many thousands of car guys.
08-24-2018, 06:12 PM
#34
Melting Slicks
People used to be afraid that you could cut keys (and steal the car) with information from a VIN. Or maybe do some voodoo magic and transfer the title, then try to take possession of "their car." I don't think that is the case here. I agree, unless you have good reason to believe this may be the car for you... just move on. There are lots of good C4s to be bought.
08-24-2018, 07:06 PM
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I'm not even sure that works on our cars.. I know it doesn't on mine.
Bought it without a door key. Dealer couldn't help. Asked them if the VIN would work and they said no.
They don't have records that go back that far.
On the upside, I can now re-key GM sidebar door locks.
Bought it without a door key. Dealer couldn't help. Asked them if the VIN would work and they said no.
They don't have records that go back that far.
On the upside, I can now re-key GM sidebar door locks.
08-24-2018, 07:57 PM
#36
Safety Car
If you go look on autotrader.com car listings, both private party and dealerships have the VIN listed.
such as this one from a private seller
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=CORV
such as this one from a private seller
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=CORV
08-24-2018, 09:53 PM
#37
Team Owner
OTOH, when you have gotten someone on the hook with the Corvette Fever, you can pretty much get your way much of the time.
08-24-2018, 09:55 PM
#38
Team Owner
Oh, YOU want me to accept a Carfax report YOU pull and give me? Sure thing, buddy.
08-24-2018, 09:58 PM
#39
Team Owner
A sale happens when the buyer and the seller are both equally motivated. When it isn't, pass.
08-24-2018, 10:00 PM
#40
Team Owner
Or maybe it is more than a few? Kinda like Mission Impossible. If you get caught, you will be disavowed. Much like the catholic church claiming it is a few bad priests that ruin it for the rest of the good ones.