Notices
C4 General Discussion General C4 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech

Why did the ZR-1 have to be heavier?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-10-2018, 04:53 PM
  #121  
Zak2018
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Zak2018's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2018
Posts: 246
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 81c3
Well, since you seem to be very set on weight reduction, I would buy a base C4 and do what the others have suggested with building an engine to what you want. Dont buy a ZR-1 and start hacking it up to save weight...
Well, that's basically what they did with the ZR1 Snake Skinner

I think there are enough ZR-1s around not to make it a sin. Besides everything would probably be reversible anyway.
Old 11-10-2018, 04:56 PM
  #122  
Zak2018
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Zak2018's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2018
Posts: 246
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by FASTAZU
The top is plexiglass
Headers are lighter than the stock manifolds and cats, plus you get a performance boost.
The AIR system, and its components all parts of the emissions. Not AC.
Space saver spare.
Ok. I will have to google what is the AIR system and see if it's something I might want to keep.

But what would be your guess of how many lbs it would shave if all you suggested above was done? Thanks.
Old 11-10-2018, 09:19 PM
  #123  
FASTAZU
Race Director

 
FASTAZU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2002
Location: Compound in the Grove, Ga.
Posts: 11,327
Received 910 Likes on 583 Posts
2020 C3 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
2019 C4 of Year Finalist (performance mods)
2018 C4 of Year Finalist
2015 C4 of the Year Finalist
St. Jude Donor '16
2020 C3 of the Year Finalist - Unmodified

Default


Last edited by FASTAZU; 01-07-2020 at 05:14 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Zak2018 (11-12-2018)
Old 11-11-2018, 11:58 AM
  #124  
Paul Workman
Le Mans Master
 
Paul Workman's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: South-central Missouri
Posts: 6,314
Received 500 Likes on 395 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Zak2018
Isn't the $10K price on the site for the parts only, apart from the porting, excluding labor?

What video do you mean? Thanks.
Those are "TURN-KEY" prices - parts and labor on YOUR LT5 motor.

The video - no biggie, it just features a video showing my stock idle ~ 510 hp LT5. Smooth, no dual mass knock or trans rattle (single mass aluminum FW + sprung hub disc).
The following users liked this post:
Zak2018 (11-12-2018)
Old 11-12-2018, 04:51 PM
  #125  
Zak2018
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Zak2018's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2018
Posts: 246
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by FASTAZU
AIR pump

This is the pump you also have plumbing and other related parts. If you live in an area that still has emissions testing you will have to keep it.
Oh, so I definitely need to keep it.
Old 11-12-2018, 04:53 PM
  #126  
Zak2018
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Zak2018's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2018
Posts: 246
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Paul Workman
Those are "TURN-KEY" prices - parts and labor on YOUR LT5 motor.

The video - no biggie, it just features a video showing my stock idle ~ 510 hp LT5. Smooth, no dual mass knock or trans rattle (single mass aluminum FW + sprung hub disc).
Oh, ok. So where do I see the prices for the parts alone, for those who want to do it themselves?

I don't think I saw the video you are talking about.
Old 11-16-2018, 02:52 AM
  #127  
Zak2018
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Zak2018's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2018
Posts: 246
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Is there any thing behind the name change from ZR-1 to ZR1? Does ZR-1 even mean something actually? Thanks.
Old 11-16-2018, 03:32 AM
  #128  
ChumpVette
Safety Car
 
ChumpVette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,631
Received 1,281 Likes on 865 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Zak2018
Is there any thing behind the name change from ZR-1 to ZR1? Does ZR-1 even mean something actually? Thanks.
It was originally ZR1 back in 1970.
Old 03-12-2019, 06:51 PM
  #129  
revival1
Instructor
 
revival1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2007
Location: Coral Springs Florida
Posts: 147
Received 41 Likes on 21 Posts

Default This can be complicated




I would have to say my C4. Okay let me explain. I have a C6, a shelby cobra, a Z28. I love my C4. I don't get or care when people talk them down.
Old 03-12-2019, 08:46 PM
  #130  
auburn2
Racer
 
auburn2's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2018
Posts: 426
Received 75 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

This is the achiles heel of DOHC V8s. All else being equal, they breathe better but they are larger and heavier than a comparable cam-in-block engine of the same displacement.

The LT5 is actually small for 5.7L DOHC. Take a look at the modern Ford motors, they displace less than an LT5 and are physically larger than a BBC. The SBC was ancient when the LT5 came on the scene, but look what GM was able to do with the LS series. Lighter smaller and a ton of power compared to the competition.
Old 03-12-2019, 10:28 PM
  #131  
MatthewMiller
Le Mans Master
 
MatthewMiller's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2015
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 5,694
Received 1,705 Likes on 1,291 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by auburn2
This is the achiles heel of DOHC V8s. All else being equal, they breathe better but they are larger and heavier than a comparable cam-in-block engine of the same displacement.

The LT5 is actually small for 5.7L DOHC. Take a look at the modern Ford motors, they displace less than an LT5 and are physically larger than a BBC. The SBC was ancient when the LT5 came on the scene, but look what GM was able to do with the LS series. Lighter smaller and a ton of power compared to the competition.
I don't generally disagree with you. In particular, a DOCH is wider and has more weight up high (in the heads and cams) than an equivalent pushrod V8. However, the Ford Coyote is not even close to bigger than a BBC, and it's actually light. In comparison to an LS, it is wider by 2-3" (memory isn't exact), it's basically the same height depending on intake details, and it's 2-3" shorter. It's within 5-10lbs of mass, too. The basic bore spacing was originally designed for transverse front-wheel-drive applications. So the bores are small and close together, because length was really crucial. They didn't originally care about width at all since it would sit in the car sideways. Of course, that's why it's pretty limited on displacement, too. They are doing heroic things to get 5.2L out of a Coyote, whereas standard LS bottom ends can now be taken out to 468cid (7.7L). Now, the original LT5 was considerably bigger and way heavier than a Coyote, but of course they can be taken out to well over 400cid, and they make big power doing that.



Quick Reply: Why did the ZR-1 have to be heavier?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:37 PM.