Roof removal. "Why is it SO HARD!?"
12-21-2018, 01:30 PM
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Roof removal. "Why is it SO HARD!?"
I see people complain about how hard it is to remove the roof on the C4. It's not the easiest roof...but it's not bad, IMO. Found this interesting bit on a car that was a direct competitor to the C4 in the '90's, it was designed a decade later than the C4 was and is HIGHLY sought after (for some reason)....If it doesn't do it automatically, FF to 9:02
12-21-2018, 01:42 PM
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well the T-tops come out of and go back in my '71, (25yr older tech than my '96) faster than it takes to pull one of the 4 screws out so maybe that's why people complain. But hey at least the top can be removed and there's no T-Top bar getting in the way of my sky view.
12-21-2018, 02:02 PM
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People complain because of how easy it is on the c5 and later cars. And because people are complainers.
The Supra is probably the most overrated car right now. It o ly became popular thanks to the fast and the furious.
The Supra is probably the most overrated car right now. It o ly became popular thanks to the fast and the furious.
12-21-2018, 03:19 PM
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12-21-2018, 08:11 PM
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with this even more. 
The Supra and the Integra Type R. Two cars that I....I totally don't "get it", at all.
12-21-2018, 08:29 PM
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Its a relic from another time, when a car that was a few thousand more was a big deal. Nowdays the auto mags would crucify you for not offering a crapload more for a lot more money. Youd get ranted on for not having the latest techno gizmo. And the few grand difference is just an excuse for the dealer to offer you 108 month financing.
I dont get the prices of them being mid 20s, but i get liking the car.
The car I dont get at all, is the NSX. Why someone would spend as much as it takes on an NSX vs a Cayman, Evora, or even a 911 is beyond me. You could nearlynget into a stick shift R8 for that momey. Its stupid.
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12-21-2018, 09:59 PM
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The supra was nothing special when it came out no matter what the yr.
Look on cl, guys worship 80s/0-s import cars claiming some legendary JDM stuff....haha. Most were what mommy bought her daughter to go to high school in.
Little too much time watching movies and reading the internet .
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12-22-2018, 01:30 AM
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The ITR I kind of get....I dont get the prices of them being mid 20s, but i get liking the car.
The car I dont get at all, is the NSX. Why someone would spend as much as it takes on an NSX vs a Cayman, Evora, or even a 911 is beyond me. You could nearlynget into a stick shift R8 for that momey. Its stupid.
The car I dont get at all, is the NSX. Why someone would spend as much as it takes on an NSX vs a Cayman, Evora, or even a 911 is beyond me. You could nearlynget into a stick shift R8 for that momey. Its stupid.
I don't get the NSX either....or for that matter, any '90's J ap-wagon loving. "Liking"? I get. My wife and I had a '91 Stealth RT/TT for a while....I liked it. It was cool. Was I fan boy? No way. The 'Vette is such a better car, and yet people harsh on it...for things like the roof. Whatever.
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12-22-2018, 04:27 AM
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It's not that it's hard, it's a bit of a nuisance and it rewards your effort with an unpleasant driving experience. Removing the roof changes the car's characteristics for the worse and increases body noise to the point that you soon realize the upside of sans-roof is overshadowed by the downside.
12-22-2018, 09:42 AM
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Agree completely. My dad had a 93 or 94 when I was 10. I liked it a lot. But then we got into his C5. I always enjoyed riding in the Vettes more. I laugh at people saying Supras were the first to do the fighter jet interior feel.
12-22-2018, 10:57 AM
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The reason for the bolt on was mainly because you could smash in the window on a c3 and take both off and be halfway down the block before someone could run to the window and see what's up.
The later roofs go on easier than the early ones. On mine the hole for the tool isn't even aligned with the head anymore. I kind of just shove the thing in and wiggle it around until I hit something.
In all seriousness though it takes all of a minute, it takes me longer to roll the windows up.
12-22-2018, 11:04 AM
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i remember that, the T tops being stolen (on F bodys too) was a real issue back then. People today are lazy and want to push a button rather than pull over and spin a wrench for a few minutes.
12-22-2018, 12:54 PM
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Was it the C5 or C6 that had problems with the roof flying off on the highway? No design is without flaw imo.
The reason for the bolt on was mainly because you could smash in the window on a c3 and take both off and be halfway down the block before someone could run to the window and see what's up...
The reason for the bolt on was mainly because you could smash in the window on a c3 and take both off and be halfway down the block before someone could run to the window and see what's up...
12-22-2018, 01:06 PM
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one word: LAZY
12-22-2018, 01:16 PM
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Having a quick release vs a bolt when properly designed is a moot point as far as integration with chassis rigidity. Being the roof assembly now is 1k plus it's much harder to steal something that's bolted down. However given tech that was available they may not have been able to implement a quick release like the third gen camaros/firebirds on a full targa and achieve the correct amount of clamping force required. That being said, who knows. The difference in mine with the top off isn't terribly noticeable unless you're pushing the thing.
12-22-2018, 02:20 PM
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Had I not had an 89 IROC prior to this Corvette, It probably wouldn't bother me. On the IROC, two handles and my t-tops were out. Four bolts that must line up perfectly can get irritating, but the payoff outweighs the irritation.
12-22-2018, 06:09 PM
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One thing that most people don't know about Toyota performance engines (and some vehicles) is that they are ALL developed by Yamaha.
I do agree with Tom and others that I don't "get" the extent of the appeal of some of these Japanese performance vehicles. But what I can say is that the I6 in the Supra (which is the same basic I6 as in the SC300) was one of the most reliable engines that we saw in dual dealership studies. The V8 in the SC400 was even more reliable. Interestingly, the only engine subsystem in the Supra that had reliability issues was the turbos - but that's because of the development stage that turbos were in back in the 90s.
I do agree with Tom and others that I don't "get" the extent of the appeal of some of these Japanese performance vehicles. But what I can say is that the I6 in the Supra (which is the same basic I6 as in the SC300) was one of the most reliable engines that we saw in dual dealership studies. The V8 in the SC400 was even more reliable. Interestingly, the only engine subsystem in the Supra that had reliability issues was the turbos - but that's because of the development stage that turbos were in back in the 90s.
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