In the fairness of full disclosure. 93 ragtop's bins.
03-23-2005, 02:41 PM
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In the fairness of full disclosure. 93 ragtop's bins.
During this thread which got shut down after some people got a bit heated...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1044651
... I offered to compare 93 ragtop's BIN files byte per byte. This was after ski said that 93 ragtop was not going to be able to see the differences in Tunercat. 93 ragtop took me up on this offer and I loaded the 3 BIN files he sent over into TunerCat's Binary File Compare Utility. This utility compares the files and then outputs the differences into a text format with both decimal and hexidecimal values.
The Files Received Were:
1. Stock 1993 Corvette BIN
2. Ski_dwn_it performance BIN
3. Ski_dwn_it emissions compatible BIN
I will refer to these files by BIN# further on.
Test 1
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BIN1 vs. BIN2
Differences: 40
Details:
Test 2
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BIN2 vs. BIN3
Differences: 0
Details: N/A
This is the raw data for each chip. It does not matter how the BIN was modified or what utility is reading the BIN. This comparison is the deepest level that can be done comparing every part of each BIN side by side. Knowing this keep in mind that 40 differences does not explicitly mean that 40 items were changed in the BIN. This is simply the binary comparison of each.
I offer this only as assistance to 93 ragtop to backup his initial claims as he was told he did not possess the tools necessary to do so. The forum allows members to post such incidents as long as they are fair and can back up their claims.
Try not to get this one shut down either, folks.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1044651
... I offered to compare 93 ragtop's BIN files byte per byte. This was after ski said that 93 ragtop was not going to be able to see the differences in Tunercat. 93 ragtop took me up on this offer and I loaded the 3 BIN files he sent over into TunerCat's Binary File Compare Utility. This utility compares the files and then outputs the differences into a text format with both decimal and hexidecimal values.
The Files Received Were:
1. Stock 1993 Corvette BIN
2. Ski_dwn_it performance BIN
3. Ski_dwn_it emissions compatible BIN
I will refer to these files by BIN# further on.
Test 1
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BIN1 vs. BIN2
Differences: 40
Details:
Code:
Address stock_93 ski_perf stock_93 ski_perf ------- ---(d)--- ---(d)--- ---(h)--- ---(h)--- 00006 228 233 E4 E9 00007 119 150 77 96 00018 209 193 D1 C1 00377 31 230 1F E6 00378 31 230 1F E6 00379 31 230 1F E6 0037A 31 230 1F E6 0037B 31 230 1F E6 0037C 31 230 1F E6 0037D 31 230 1F E6 0037E 31 230 1F E6 004BA 192 167 C0 A7 004BB 198 167 C6 A7 004BC 198 167 C6 A7 004BD 204 167 CC A7 004C0 6 7 06 07 0058D 42 46 2A 2E 0058F 39 42 27 2A 00677 151 224 97 E0 00686 168 131 A8 83 00688 168 131 A8 83 0068A 168 131 A8 83 0068D 169 135 A9 87 0068F 169 135 A9 87 00691 169 135 A9 87 0089C 147 148 93 94 0089D 149 150 95 96 0089E 149 150 95 96 0089F 151 150 97 96 008A0 147 146 93 92 008A1 144 143 90 8F 008A2 142 141 8E 8D 008A3 144 143 90 8F 008A4 147 146 93 92 008A5 150 149 96 95 008A6 148 147 94 93 008A7 120 119 78 77 008A8 120 119 78 77 008A9 120 119 78 77 008AA 120 119 78 77
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BIN2 vs. BIN3
Differences: 0
Details: N/A
This is the raw data for each chip. It does not matter how the BIN was modified or what utility is reading the BIN. This comparison is the deepest level that can be done comparing every part of each BIN side by side. Knowing this keep in mind that 40 differences does not explicitly mean that 40 items were changed in the BIN. This is simply the binary comparison of each.
I offer this only as assistance to 93 ragtop to backup his initial claims as he was told he did not possess the tools necessary to do so. The forum allows members to post such incidents as long as they are fair and can back up their claims.
Try not to get this one shut down either, folks.
Last edited by scorp508; 03-23-2005 at 02:44 PM.
03-23-2005, 02:49 PM
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So what is your honest and most professional opinion of what you found?
Should I compare the mail order (note not dyno tuned) chip that 93 Ragtop got from pcmforless with the stock file?
I can have it by about 5pm this afternoon when I get home
Should I compare the mail order (note not dyno tuned) chip that 93 Ragtop got from pcmforless with the stock file?
I can have it by about 5pm this afternoon when I get home
03-23-2005, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvin
So what is your honest and most professional opinion of what you found?
Should I compare the mail order (note not dyno tuned) chip that 93 Ragtop got from pcmforless with the stock file?
03-23-2005, 03:05 PM
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this is getting interesting.
at this point, I am simply reading and watching. I refuse to cast aspersions at anyone here. It just ain't worth it.
I much prefer facts to sort it out... versus personal opinions to cloud the issue.
at this point, I am simply reading and watching. I refuse to cast aspersions at anyone here. It just ain't worth it.
I much prefer facts to sort it out... versus personal opinions to cloud the issue.
03-23-2005, 04:32 PM
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03-23-2005, 04:53 PM
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Thats something like 897 differences.
93 Ragtop should be able to confirm this for you. Just tell him to download the bincomp program off tunercats website.
I'd rather not have the binary floating around.
93 Ragtop should be able to confirm this for you. Just tell him to download the bincomp program off tunercats website.
I'd rather not have the binary floating around.
03-23-2005, 05:06 PM
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Alvin, can I clarify something once and for all? Was the chip you supplied 93 a mail order workup, or the result of in-person Dyno pulls?
03-23-2005, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Caboboy
Alvin, can I clarify something once and for all? Was the chip you supplied 93 a mail order workup, or the result of in-person Dyno pulls?
Ragtop couldn't drive the car up north because he didn't have a good chip. So about a month and a half out I sent him a binary to load into the car.
The binary that I gave him would have been what I would have sent him had he ordered a mail order chip.
The file that I did a compare on was the very first binary I sent to Ragtop (to preserve the integrety of this disscussion) and a BAFM which is a stock 92-93 Auto vette file.
I challenge Richard (Ragtop) to recheck what i have submitted. I want to make sure everyone know I submitted trueful evidence.
03-23-2005, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvin
The binary that I gave him would have been what I would have sent him had he ordered a mail order chip.
The file that I did a compare on was the very first binary I sent to Ragtop (to preserve the integrety of this disscussion) and a BAFM which is a stock 92-93 Auto vette file.
The file that I did a compare on was the very first binary I sent to Ragtop (to preserve the integrety of this disscussion) and a BAFM which is a stock 92-93 Auto vette file.
03-23-2005, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bogus
I much prefer facts to sort it out... versus personal opinions to cloud the issue.
I'm watching these threads. I've got my own set of beliefs but I'm not gonna argue any of the points here. The facts shall provide the truth.
03-23-2005, 07:11 PM
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Scorp,
can you post Ski's performance chip compared to his emisions side by side? I think that may be the most important fact here if the two are the same then 93 deserves a refund for at least that. I have seen to many post and heard to much smack on to many tuners including those involved in this situation to make any decisions because tuning a car via mail order is going to be risky and there is always a chance they may miss the tune.
can you post Ski's performance chip compared to his emisions side by side? I think that may be the most important fact here if the two are the same then 93 deserves a refund for at least that. I have seen to many post and heard to much smack on to many tuners including those involved in this situation to make any decisions because tuning a car via mail order is going to be risky and there is always a chance they may miss the tune.
03-23-2005, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK
Scorp,
can you post Ski's performance chip compared to his emisions side by side?
can you post Ski's performance chip compared to his emisions side by side?
03-23-2005, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by scorp508
I did in the first post. See "Test 2". There are 0 differences so there are no details I can post.
Thanks,
I understand now only the differences post in the chart. What about posting the emissions compare to the stock bin? If it showed the same differences as the performance comparison it would give a nice visual to what you are comparing.
03-23-2005, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK
Thanks,
I understand now only the differences post in the chart. What about posting the emissions compare to the stock bin? If it showed the same differences as the performance comparison it would give a nice visual to what you are comparing.
I understand now only the differences post in the chart. What about posting the emissions compare to the stock bin? If it showed the same differences as the performance comparison it would give a nice visual to what you are comparing.
Sure, give me one minute.
03-23-2005, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK
Thanks,
I understand now only the differences post in the chart. What about posting the emissions compare to the stock bin? If it showed the same differences as the performance comparison it would give a nice visual to what you are comparing.
I understand now only the differences post in the chart. What about posting the emissions compare to the stock bin? If it showed the same differences as the performance comparison it would give a nice visual to what you are comparing.
3. Stock vs. Performance
4. Stock vs. Emissions
..and they both output an identical file which is pretty much what the earlier tests proved would happen. I removed the hexidecimal values from the results just to make it easier to read.
Code:
Address stock_93 ski_emiss ski_perf ------- ---(d)--- ---(d)--- ---(d)--- 00006 228 233 233 00007 119 150 150 00018 209 193 193 00377 31 230 230 00378 31 230 230 00379 31 230 230 0037A 31 230 230 0037B 31 230 230 0037C 31 230 230 0037D 31 230 230 0037E 31 230 230 004BA 192 167 167 004BB 198 167 167 004BC 198 167 167 004BD 204 167 167 004C0 6 7 7 0058D 42 46 46 0058F 39 42 42 00677 151 224 224 00686 168 131 131 00688 168 131 131 0068A 168 131 131 0068D 169 135 135 0068F 169 135 135 00691 169 135 135 0089C 147 148 148 0089D 149 150 150 0089E 149 150 150 0089F 151 150 150 008A0 147 146 146 008A1 144 143 143 008A2 142 141 141 008A3 144 143 143 008A4 147 146 146 008A5 150 149 149 008A6 148 147 147 008A7 120 119 119 008A8 120 119 119 008A9 120 119 119 008AA 120 119 119
03-23-2005, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by scorp508
Ok I did a comparo of...
3. Stock vs. Performance
4. Stock vs. Emissions
..and they both output an identical file which is pretty much what the earlier tests proved would happen. I removed the hexidecimal values from the results just to make it easier to read.
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3. Stock vs. Performance
4. Stock vs. Emissions
..and they both output an identical file which is pretty much what the earlier tests proved would happen. I removed the hexidecimal values from the results just to make it easier to read.
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I think that realy shows it very nicley.
Thats about as conclusive as you can get and I would be highly upset if some one charged me a dime extra and did nothing.