Question on Installing DERALE Thermostatic Fan Controller
#1
Drifting
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Question on Installing DERALE Thermostatic Fan Controller
Hey guys,
Just picked up a Derale 180*F Thermostatic Fan Switch, the one that screws into the block in place of the old 220*F switch, to install into my 89 Vette. Only problem is I noticed that the old switch has one wire leading out of it and the new one has two wires??? Is one of those two wires a ground or something?? I am not installing the wiring harness that comes with the kit, just replacing the sensor/thermostatic switch. Anyone know about this?
DG
Just picked up a Derale 180*F Thermostatic Fan Switch, the one that screws into the block in place of the old 220*F switch, to install into my 89 Vette. Only problem is I noticed that the old switch has one wire leading out of it and the new one has two wires??? Is one of those two wires a ground or something?? I am not installing the wiring harness that comes with the kit, just replacing the sensor/thermostatic switch. Anyone know about this?
DG
#2
Le Mans Master
These instructions are for the 16738 with the push-in probe,
but I expect that wiring for the 16739 w/ the "3/8" NPT water jacket
thread-in probe" is essentially the same.
16738 Single Stage Electric Fan Thermostat Installation Instructions
The Derale Thermostat switch is shown with an external or isolated
ground, it does not ground to the body of the switch.
In the wiring diagram provided above, Yellow is switched 12+VDC and
Brown goes to the relay and then to ground through the Black wire.
When the Thermostat activation point is reached, the internal switch
closes, completing the path, energizing the relay and thus closing the
circuit for the fan motor.
My vote is that your OEM switch receives 12+VDC from the OEM relay and
grounds internally to the cyl head. In this case, the Derale switch can
be used as a replacement by connecting your OEM wire (12+VDC) to
the Derale Yellow and then connecting the Derale Brown to a suitable
ground. When the Derale switch activates, current will flow from the
OEM relay to ground, closing the OEM relay circuit for the fan motor.
Or do you have this model?
IN – LINE FAN THERMOSTAT SWITCH INSTRUCTION
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but I expect that wiring for the 16739 w/ the "3/8" NPT water jacket
thread-in probe" is essentially the same.
16738 Single Stage Electric Fan Thermostat Installation Instructions
The Derale Thermostat switch is shown with an external or isolated
ground, it does not ground to the body of the switch.
In the wiring diagram provided above, Yellow is switched 12+VDC and
Brown goes to the relay and then to ground through the Black wire.
When the Thermostat activation point is reached, the internal switch
closes, completing the path, energizing the relay and thus closing the
circuit for the fan motor.
My vote is that your OEM switch receives 12+VDC from the OEM relay and
grounds internally to the cyl head. In this case, the Derale switch can
be used as a replacement by connecting your OEM wire (12+VDC) to
the Derale Yellow and then connecting the Derale Brown to a suitable
ground. When the Derale switch activates, current will flow from the
OEM relay to ground, closing the OEM relay circuit for the fan motor.
Or do you have this model?
IN – LINE FAN THERMOSTAT SWITCH INSTRUCTION
.
#4
Le Mans Master
The first link refers to two variations of fan switches for engine coolant
radiators: one with a sensor probe that is inserted between the fins of
the radiator, the other with an immersion-style probe intended for installation
in a port in the coolant passage.
The second link is for a switch with two wires and an AN fitting for
mounting in-line. The switch is indifferent to the liquid it is sensing.
It will close/open the circuit at the activation temp, regardless of
whether lubricant or coolant is in the line.
.
#5
Drifting
Thread Starter
I provided two links.
The first link refers to two variations of fan switches for engine coolant
radiators: one with a sensor probe that is inserted between the fins of
the radiator, the other with an immersion-style probe intended for installation
in a port in the coolant passage.
The second link is for a switch with two wires and an AN fitting for
mounting in-line. The switch is indifferent to the liquid it is sensing.
It will close/open the circuit at the activation temp, regardless of
whether lubricant or coolant is in the line.
.
The first link refers to two variations of fan switches for engine coolant
radiators: one with a sensor probe that is inserted between the fins of
the radiator, the other with an immersion-style probe intended for installation
in a port in the coolant passage.
The second link is for a switch with two wires and an AN fitting for
mounting in-line. The switch is indifferent to the liquid it is sensing.
It will close/open the circuit at the activation temp, regardless of
whether lubricant or coolant is in the line.
.
Slalom,
Thanks for the in-depth description of how to install the coolant switch. It installed and wired up in minutes... worked very well.
Thanks again,
Dan
#6
Le Mans Master
Happy to hear that everything turned out well. Just paying it forward.
In case you become interested in a higher activation point down the
road, Echlin "Coolant (Thermo) Fan Switches" with various activation
temps are (or were) available from NAPA as follows:
ON ............... OFF .... P/N#
204-220º ....... N/L -- FS113
213-229º ....... N/L -- FS112
224-236º ....... 212º - FS110
229-245º ....... N/L -- FS111
These are physically similar to the OEM switch. They take one wire
and ground to the head. Thread is 3/8" x 18 NPTF.
.
In case you become interested in a higher activation point down the
road, Echlin "Coolant (Thermo) Fan Switches" with various activation
temps are (or were) available from NAPA as follows:
ON ............... OFF .... P/N#
204-220º ....... N/L -- FS113
213-229º ....... N/L -- FS112
224-236º ....... 212º - FS110
229-245º ....... N/L -- FS111
These are physically similar to the OEM switch. They take one wire
and ground to the head. Thread is 3/8" x 18 NPTF.
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Will this switch work on my LT1 located on the driver's side block area? I have one lying around, and if it will work, I can postpone having a chip burned until I make some other mods.
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Hey guys,
Just picked up a Derale 180*F Thermostatic Fan Switch, the one that screws into the block in place of the old 220*F switch, to install into my 89 Vette. Only problem is I noticed that the old switch has one wire leading out of it and the new one has two wires??? Is one of those two wires a ground or something?? I am not installing the wiring harness that comes with the kit, just replacing the sensor/thermostatic switch. Anyone know about this?
DG
Just picked up a Derale 180*F Thermostatic Fan Switch, the one that screws into the block in place of the old 220*F switch, to install into my 89 Vette. Only problem is I noticed that the old switch has one wire leading out of it and the new one has two wires??? Is one of those two wires a ground or something?? I am not installing the wiring harness that comes with the kit, just replacing the sensor/thermostatic switch. Anyone know about this?
DG
#9
Le Mans Master
Thus, no.
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
The fan switch is in the right head for the 1984 and 1985 cars. For the 1984 it controls the only fan. On the 1985s, it controls the aux fan in cars so equipped or serves as a back up to the ECM for cars with only the main (single) fan. In 1986 through 1989, the AUXILIARY fan switch moved to the left side of the car to between the #1 and #3 spark plugs. The main fan is operated by the ECM (only) those three years. In 1990 the fan operation, both main and auxiliary, was assumed by the ECM. No more thermal fan switches after 1989. To change the on/off temps of a main fan after 1985 takes a program change in the prom, or a revision to the factory wiring. The same is true of BOTH fans from 1990 and up. I am quite sure of 1990 being the year the ECM first took over control of both fans.
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Drifting
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