lq9 into a c4??
11-10-2009, 02:59 PM
#41
I am not trying to start an argument so take this post for what it is, information. The stock LS engines make amazing power even in stock form. A 6 liter truck engine with just tuning will put out more power then a LT1 Corvette engine. I do EFI tuning for West Bend Dyno and the 6 liter engines will put out 320 plus HP to the wheels, all stock besides a tune. The LT1 vettes will not do that. Through a cam, headers, intake, at that same engine and it will put 450 plus HP to the ground. It is shockingly easy to make big power with an LS engine.
11-10-2009, 03:12 PM
#42
Burning Brakes
I am not trying to start an argument so take this post for what it is, information. The stock LS engines make amazing power even in stock form. A 6 liter truck engine with just tuning will put out more power then a LT1 Corvette engine. I do EFI tuning for West Bend Dyno and the 6 liter engines will put out 320 plus HP to the wheels, all stock besides a tune. The LT1 vettes will not do that. Through a cam, headers, intake, at that same engine and it will put 450 plus HP to the ground. It is shockingly easy to make big power with an LS engine.
My observation is that on most boards is that folks get all bent out of shape advocating a combanation for a platform that has no defined goals or starting point.
Do you want a crisp realible car that will make 375rwh @ 6000rpm?
Got a nice car that you dont plan on any serious raceing?
Some bolt ons and a tune for the setup that is allready under the hood.
Want a aluminum block, easy, smooth 515hp @ 6500?
Dont mind all the details of a LSX swab? Well Bucko! get out the engine hoist, D volt meter and the cuttin torch.
Want a Vette that looks sounds and RUNS like a latemodel short track car and will torment the Viper guys on any Sunday? Have a tuff time walking through the shop caus all the stock car junk laying around? Conservitive 525hp @ 7500 355/372 that already fits the chassis and has tons of serious race support.
I think the main thing here for me is that we should quit pi$$in on other sound ideas because it is not the prefect car for yourself.
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11-10-2009, 03:16 PM
#43
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@ lt1396corvette:
They said "truck" motor. Same BLOCK DESIGN as the LS1/6 Corvette block. People are grabbing up the whole truck engine for what a new bare LS1/6 Alumin. block cost, do the math. Buy a LQ9 for $2500, full running motor; swap intake with an LSX intake, say argument sake, $1400 for manifold, new fuel rail, and injectors; buy brand new LS1 heads $1600, cam $400 (high) comes out to roughly $6000 for the same "CORVETTE" engine but the only difference is one block is iron on block is Alumin. But also the point is, really only need to change to an LSX intake manifold for it to be a "typical", if you will, "CORVETTE/LS1/6" engine. You shouldnt go running your mouth off cause you hear someone say "truck", just because of your perception of what a "truck engine" is.
They said "truck" motor. Same BLOCK DESIGN as the LS1/6 Corvette block. People are grabbing up the whole truck engine for what a new bare LS1/6 Alumin. block cost, do the math. Buy a LQ9 for $2500, full running motor; swap intake with an LSX intake, say argument sake, $1400 for manifold, new fuel rail, and injectors; buy brand new LS1 heads $1600, cam $400 (high) comes out to roughly $6000 for the same "CORVETTE" engine but the only difference is one block is iron on block is Alumin. But also the point is, really only need to change to an LSX intake manifold for it to be a "typical", if you will, "CORVETTE/LS1/6" engine. You shouldnt go running your mouth off cause you hear someone say "truck", just because of your perception of what a "truck engine" is.
11-10-2009, 03:46 PM
#44
Race Director
The Original poster said something about 320 Hp. 1 Hp per cube is nothing.. and you can do it with your L-98.. Its a Small block chevy , just like the all of em since 1955.. 400 hp in the real world is do-able and driveable.. with the TPI and some research, and its gonna cost a lot less than any of the swaps listed here.. Cam, headers, injectors etc.. simple stuff.. open it up and get a set of heads so It can breathe and your making power.. just trying to add some common sense in here, the 2 questions asked was "reasonable power (320 HP) and low cost" sounds like a typical small block build to me. Christ, edelbrock sells a crate motor that puts out more power than that as a baseline motor.
11-10-2009, 03:53 PM
#45
@ lt1396corvette:
They said "truck" motor. Same BLOCK DESIGN as the LS1/6 Corvette block. People are grabbing up the whole truck engine for what a new bare LS1/6 Alumin. block cost, do the math. Buy a LQ9 for $2500, full running motor; swap intake with an LSX intake, say argument sake, $1400 for manifold, new fuel rail, and injectors; buy brand new LS1 heads $1600, cam $400 (high) comes out to roughly $6000 for the same "CORVETTE" engine but the only difference is one block is iron on block is Alumin. But also the point is, really only need to change to an LSX intake manifold for it to be a "typical", if you will, "CORVETTE/LS1/6" engine. You shouldnt go running your mouth off cause you hear someone say "truck", just because of your perception of what a "truck engine" is.
They said "truck" motor. Same BLOCK DESIGN as the LS1/6 Corvette block. People are grabbing up the whole truck engine for what a new bare LS1/6 Alumin. block cost, do the math. Buy a LQ9 for $2500, full running motor; swap intake with an LSX intake, say argument sake, $1400 for manifold, new fuel rail, and injectors; buy brand new LS1 heads $1600, cam $400 (high) comes out to roughly $6000 for the same "CORVETTE" engine but the only difference is one block is iron on block is Alumin. But also the point is, really only need to change to an LSX intake manifold for it to be a "typical", if you will, "CORVETTE/LS1/6" engine. You shouldnt go running your mouth off cause you hear someone say "truck", just because of your perception of what a "truck engine" is.
11-10-2009, 06:35 PM
#46
Melting Slicks
the arguing is ridiculous, but out of curiousity, what kind of power does your 396 put down?
compression? Are you actually running a solid roller cam? Fill us in on the details.
Also, just for the sake of detais for the OP, Katech.com, texas-speed.com, and a few other VERY reputable vendors sell short-block 402's, 427's (Ls-x based) for pocket change.... like $5,000-6,500. And we're talking about TOP NOTCH hardware (oliver, callies, etc).
Even with the top-end stuff, cam, and dress-up you're still in at under $10K for a combination that will put down 500-600rwhp+!
For a "reasonably nice" 383 or 396, you're talking $10,000+
kind of puts the popularity and simplisity of generating pwoer into perspective.
11-10-2009, 06:43 PM
#47
Melting Slicks
the arguing is ridiculous, but out of curiousity, what kind of power does your 396 put down?
compression? Are you actually running a solid roller cam? Fill us in on the details.
Also, just for the sake of detais for the OP, Katech.com, texas-speed.com, and a few other VERY reputable vendors sell short-block 402's, 427's (Ls-x based) for pocket change.... like $5,000-6,500. And we're talking about TOP NOTCH hardware (oliver, callies, etc).
Even with the top-end stuff, cam, and dress-up you're still in at under $10K for a combination that will put down 500-600rwhp+!
For a "reasonably nice" 383 or 396, you're talking $10,000+
kind of puts the popularity and simplisity of generating pwoer into perspective.
compression? Are you actually running a solid roller cam? Fill us in on the details.
Also, just for the sake of detais for the OP, Katech.com, texas-speed.com, and a few other VERY reputable vendors sell short-block 402's, 427's (Ls-x based) for pocket change.... like $5,000-6,500. And we're talking about TOP NOTCH hardware (oliver, callies, etc).
Even with the top-end stuff, cam, and dress-up you're still in at under $10K for a combination that will put down 500-600rwhp+!
For a "reasonably nice" 383 or 396, you're talking $10,000+
kind of puts the popularity and simplisity of generating pwoer into perspective.
11-10-2009, 06:59 PM
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Thats what I would to if I bought another C4.Buying a lt-4 equipped car will put you over your 320hp goal & give you a low 13 second car with the dana 44 & that cool red intake
11-10-2009, 07:11 PM
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Melting Slicks
Believe me no argument here either.I just said I would'nt use the truck motor.I would get the vette motor for the swap and they start jumping down my throat.The thing that makes me laugh is they have'nt even done the swap.All talk.I can see if they did the swap and started talking how badazz the car is.Then you would have a race.
11-10-2009, 07:12 PM
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11-10-2009, 07:15 PM
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).I would have beat him but all that car wanted to do was burn rubber.It gets old after awhile.My 1994 corvette(auto) hooks up & just goesPlus going around a corner in the camaro, hit a bump & the ***-end would sidestep
My camaro was quicker with the traction control on.Corvette is way cooler than any f-body even though my z28 was mint(red,factory body kit,performance axle,chrome SS rims etc) the corvette is much cooler & sexier
This is all my opinion,its your money.My next corvette will be a c5 zo6 or a c6 but I'll still keep my 94.
11-10-2009, 08:16 PM
#53
the arguing is ridiculous, but out of curiousity, what kind of power does your 396 put down?
compression? Are you actually running a solid roller cam? Fill us in on the details.
Also, just for the sake of detais for the OP, Katech.com, texas-speed.com, and a few other VERY reputable vendors sell short-block 402's, 427's (Ls-x based) for pocket change.... like $5,000-6,500. And we're talking about TOP NOTCH hardware (oliver, callies, etc).
Even with the top-end stuff, cam, and dress-up you're still in at under $10K for a combination that will put down 500-600rwhp+!
For a "reasonably nice" 383 or 396, you're talking $10,000+
kind of puts the popularity and simplisity of generating pwoer into perspective.
compression? Are you actually running a solid roller cam? Fill us in on the details.
Also, just for the sake of detais for the OP, Katech.com, texas-speed.com, and a few other VERY reputable vendors sell short-block 402's, 427's (Ls-x based) for pocket change.... like $5,000-6,500. And we're talking about TOP NOTCH hardware (oliver, callies, etc).
Even with the top-end stuff, cam, and dress-up you're still in at under $10K for a combination that will put down 500-600rwhp+!
For a "reasonably nice" 383 or 396, you're talking $10,000+
kind of puts the popularity and simplisity of generating pwoer into perspective.
11-10-2009, 08:23 PM
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Mojave, you and prozac are the 2 number 1 techs on the corvette forum hands down.You solve everyone's problems.
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11-10-2009, 08:46 PM
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so far this is what i've collected..
According to LT1396corvette: LT1's are waaaaaaay better than LSX engines. that must be why GM is still producing them and sticking them in every car/truck they build.
According to LT1396corvette: LT1's are waaaaaaay better than LSX engines. that must be why GM is still producing them and sticking them in every car/truck they build.
11-10-2009, 08:49 PM
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11-10-2009, 09:02 PM
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very interesting. i just want to be able to run with an lt1 , or give my friends ls1 a good run. how much lift should the cam have for being mild. and a daily driver. I do know where theres a an engine at with a lingenfilter intake and runner set up, with long tubes on it, but it caught on fire, looks like it just burnt the wires and some small plastic pieces. for 600$ would that be worth it just for the headers?
11-10-2009, 09:04 PM
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11-10-2009, 09:10 PM
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Why not take that $8000 it will cost to do conversion & sell your car & buy a 1994 to 1996 corvette?You will have more options for modifications.Go for the 1996 lt-4Thats what I would to if I bought another C4.Buying a lt-4 equipped car will put you over your 320hp goal & give you a low 13 second car with the dana 44 & that cool red intake
Thats what I would to if I bought another C4.Buying a lt-4 equipped car will put you over your 320hp goal & give you a low 13 second car with the dana 44 & that cool red intakethe l98 platform is much more tuner friendly than the Lt-x cars! Do yourself a favor and stick with the L98 (don't get into a Lt-x car). Unless, of course, you like the newer c4's.
The Lt-x has no aftermarket support for larger displacement block castings. Cylinder head options are limited, intake manifold options are lmited, ignition system is a bit more of a pain in the a$$. Aside from the 94' and new c4's the tuning software is essentially the same primative stuff as the earlier c4's.
Keep in mind the above statements are for "off the shelf" stuff. So, of course you can go out and get stuff custom made, but why?
The L98 has a monsterous aftermarket! You can get aftermarket blocks and build a big-inch small-block... go mild to wild as far as heads and intakes are concerned (more specifically, the 18 degree heads-if you want somewhat similar technology as the Ls-x).
11-10-2009, 09:36 PM
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Hell, I am pretty sure the stock l92 heads STOCK, flow more than some of the mighty AFR heads, now that would be fast
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