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Old 03-20-2011, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by davenbocafl
yea, an edlebrock intake and a holley, that fi is pittiful when it comes to air flow, and the second is the cam if you go that far, you can pick up about 100 ponies and much more reliable and less expensive to maintain
Daul Quad Tunnel Ram with a pair of 600-750 cfm carbs and a full race profile cam that allows you to spin up to 9,500RPm's is the easy way out.

LOL

I am not trying to set a New NHRA Super Stock record like you have broken and still hold honorary title for in your in your race car.

Street driven with ***** to wall power when the gas is mashed to the floor.

My 1970 TA breaks the tires loose at 100mph in high gear- 4th.
Just cruising maybe 1/3 throttle applied on primary circuit of carb only.

Mash the gas pedal down hard, 4bbl secondaries open fully and Factory Shaker Hoodscoop electric solenoids pull the rear blacked out trap door open 90 degrees.
It sucks air from the high pressure zone present at the lower windshield.
You see 160 + in 5 seconds or less if you keep your foot planted firmly down and don't lift up.
Engine taching out at 6,200RPM's at 160.

Lots of fun and quite entertaining.

Thats the kind of power I am after and more if it can be had.

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Old 03-22-2011, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slickfx3
they tell me it is a bottle neck, I look at it and say not really, I have a cut lid, they say the MAF blows, I say the hole looks big to me.

I don't have a problem, they say I can gain HP, Who's trippin?

how much flow does it support? before it chokes?

has anyone rigged anything else?
A lot of people just bolt on aftermarket runners from SLP or Edelbrock and port the plenum a little. Bit pricey but allows better breathing. Ported stock or aftermarket base (such as accel) helps too. In other words the MAF is not the bottleneck, the intake is.

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Originally Posted by slickfx3
if the range of the stock MAF is insufficient for a particular application, when is that threshold met?

when you can't enrichen it enough on the upper end of the rpm range?

what housing are you talking about, aft the maf? or fore the maf?
The stock MAF will peg around the 280-300 rwhp mark. After this point, PE vs rpm can be used for additional enrichment, but the ECM is blind to the additional airflow.

By housing, I'm referring to the tube in which the actual sensing element is installed. Easiest way to increase the housing area is to convert to a sensor element that can be easily installed in a larger tube.

Of course, programming changes and a suitable air cleaner will be required.
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Originally Posted by 87 vette 81 big girl
Nascar is using Finite Amplitude waves to get ...
Cool...

A google search of 'finite amplitude waves nascar' lead to some interesting simulation software and technical articles.

Thanks.
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its getting pretty deep in here... if you know what i mean..
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Originally Posted by 87 vette 81 big girl
My 1970 TA breaks the tires loose at 100mph in high gear- 4th.
You see 160 + in 5 seconds or less if you keep your foot planted firmly down and don't lift up. Engine taching out at 6,200RPM's at 160.
post a vid clip....I'm sure there are others who would enjoy watching that
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Originally Posted by mseven
post a vid clip....I'm sure there are others who would enjoy watching that
Maybe,

Who is going to ride with my from C4 and hold the video camera?
Any volunteers?
I'm driving.
Do You trust me 100%?

lol

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By the way,
We run my TA at 2 - 3am.
At Night.
The darker, the better.

If dont like running in the dark and at high velocities,

Dont volunteer to ride shotgun with me.

I dont scare easy at all.

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so what gear ratio do you have in this car? cause i know with my 3.45's and a 6300 rev limit in my lt4 i could only do about 138 in 4th which is a 1:1 ratio.. so tell us another line of ****.. 5 seconds from what speed? 150? lol get ****ing real dude. aren't you the same guy who bitched about how terrible the roads were in your area and you are doing 160+. and the tons of cops?
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don't need to run shotgun...tell me were this is happening at and I'll drive down this weekend or any other for that matter, and do the vid from another car with a radar gun..(joliet, right?).
problem solved
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don't need to run shotgun...tell me were this is happening at and I'll drive down this weekend or any other for that matter, and do the vid from another car with a radar gun..(joliet, right?).
problem solved
Um yes and no.
Its very fast in the 1/4 mile this TA of mine.
Was quicker in the 1/4 with a 3.90:1 gear.
Now has a 3.23 : 1 gear. 4-speed Muncie.
I got bored going only 140+ with the 3.90 gear.

Its very loud at WOT throttle.
True daul 3" exhaust running right out to the rear bumper.
The original 2 chamber flowmaster mufflers. Not the toned down Delta series mufflers sold now.

We need at least 2-3 miles of smooth clean road.
Need a safe shutdown back to 55.

I know of a few.
Wont state where.
I scope things out for hours before hand.
Driving up and down.
Usually in another vehicle of mine.
And watch for Hawaii 5 'O.

I am told you can hear my TA from 5 miles away on a silent night.

And if we see any radar guns, its mounted in squad patrol car.
The answer is no we are not stopping to have coffee and doughnuts with him.

You have a Very Bad *** looking C4 by the way & one of the cleanest looking engine compartments anywhere in the USA.
Something to be admired by all here on C4.

If you want to see real street racing 9 second cars and quicker running for $$, I will take you to DUKES DRIVE IN.
Not far from Joliet.

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Originally Posted by tequilaboy
The stock MAF will peg around the 280-300 rwhp mark. After this point, PE vs rpm can be used for additional enrichment, but the ECM is blind to the additional airflow.
For readers, are you referring to the lower-flowing L98 MAF? What about with the screens removed? What do you think the limit is when you factor in PE? (IOW before the tricks linked in TGO are leveraged.)
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Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
For readers, are you referring to the lower-flowing L98 MAF? What about with the screens removed? What do you think the limit is when you factor in PE? (IOW before the tricks linked in TGO are leveraged.)
Borrowed quote from orr89rocz on one of my previous threads:

"My 383 HSR motor peaked the MAF at 4500-4800 rpm. It read 255 and stopped reading. BUT i made 400whp at 6300 rpm and pulled to 6600 without falling off. 4500 rpm is about where I peaked torque. It was flat from 4000-almost 5000
So the 3" MAF was not a restriction. I changed to a 3.5" setup and it did not help power from what I could see at the track."
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Originally Posted by pr0zac
its getting pretty deep in here... if you know what i mean..
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Originally Posted by pr0zac
so what gear ratio do you have in this car? cause i know with my 3.45's and a 6300 rev limit in my lt4 i could only do about 138 in 4th which is a 1:1 ratio.. so tell us another line of ****.. 5 seconds from what speed? 150? lol get ****ing real dude. aren't you the same guy who bitched about how terrible the roads were in your area and you are doing 160+. and the tons of cops?
I moved.
Roads are decent here.
Read down below a few posts.
3.23:1
462ci Pontiac V-8.

Engine makes over 600 Ft./lbs of torque.
No the engine is not stock.
HP just shy of 600 HP.

Stock 455's in 1970 model year made 500 ft/lbs of torque
And 360- 370Hp.
Flywheel ratings given, not RWHP.

Yeah its getting thick in here.
You don't believe.
Not my problem.

1973 Super Duty 455 Trans Am and Formula Firebirds
were known to run up to 160 mph from the factory
with JR Headers installed.
3.42 : 1 gearing. Turbo 400 trans.
310 HP rating in very early production SD-455's
shortly after 290 HP.
There was a camshaft change done to meet emission standards.
All 73-74 SD-455 cars had only 8.4:1 compression ratio.
Tuned to run on 91 octane gasoline.

Owners of factory SD-455 cars claim they can break the tires loose on the highway at 80MPH.
I have much more power in my 70-1/2 TA.

There was a 1975 Cannonball Run where a group of Pontiac Engineers outfitted a 1974 SD-455 Trans Am and ran with that car.
They installed a 2.56:1 rear gearset.
They had a ball I read.

Come to Illinois,
I will strap you into my car.
RJS Racing Belts with Recaro seats.

Then take you on a ride you just may never forget.
Don't puke in my car or **** on the nice Recaro seats if you can help so.
Chances are you may not like the ride.
Few ever have I have taken for a spin.
Its definite vision blurring acceleration and speeds when I nail the gas and make full bore power shifts at 7,000 RPM's.

I won't let up on the gas for you between shifts, foot planted to the floor,
TA and us will go sideways between gear upshifts.

You will live..........trust me.

Thank You,

Brian R.
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^^^^^ pictures of this beast plz
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^^^^^ pictures of this beast plz
No,

Its C4.

Not High Performance Pontiac.

My 70 TA was on the front cover of Car Craft 1985.
Believe it was October.
Found that out after I bought it.
Traced all owners back.

It was Lucerene Blue back than.

Its painted polar White again.
The original color.

The TA is stashed away.
how I do things.

All my cars are not in 1 location.

Taught by the guy who taught me over 20 years being the mechanic I am today.

Never keep all your Golden eggs in place.

They exist.
Just like you and me.

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Fair enough..
But since we're all motor heads and love muscle cars, post it in off topic then.
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can you imagine running a 3.50 first gear,1.0 in high with a 6.50 rear end @ 140 in the 1/4, thats rpm's about 11,000 in the traps, thats a screaming ride
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