C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

reset blm's ~ connect positive terminal to negative terminal?

Old 09-26-2011, 08:17 PM
  #1  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default reset blm's ~ connect positive terminal to negative terminal?

so I was talking to the guy's at AEM... about tuning my engine and he said when you pull the chip you can make sure the capacitors/blm's are for sure reset by touching the positive terminal to the negative terminal? yea?
Old 09-26-2011, 08:28 PM
  #2  
rodj
Le Mans Master
 
rodj's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 8,837
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mistaben
by touching the positive terminal to the negative terminal? yea?
On what?
As far as I know as soon as you disconnect battery (30 sec+ )
the ECM looses anything held in the memory and has to relearn again
Old 09-26-2011, 08:29 PM
  #3  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rodj
On what?
91 corvette. the ECM/pcm's blm's... when you pull the battery cable and pull the prom... not always do all the stored blm's reset back to 128 in all the cells.

sometimes they will remember their stored numbers...

heard you could pull the fuse, but I tried that. that didn't work either.
Old 09-26-2011, 08:32 PM
  #4  
rodj
Le Mans Master
 
rodj's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 8,837
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mistaben
91 corvette. the ECM/pcm's blm's...
I was asking what do you put pos to neg on?
Not what car
Old 09-26-2011, 08:35 PM
  #5  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rodj
I was asking what do you put pos to neg on?
Not what car
you connect the postive battery cable to the negative battery terminal
Old 09-26-2011, 08:35 PM
  #6  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rodj
On what?
As far as I know as soon as you disconnect battery (30 sec+ )
the ECM looses anything held in the memory and has to relearn again
it didn't seem to work for me this last time around... i had values stored in my blm's after i put in my new chip...
Old 09-26-2011, 08:40 PM
  #7  
dynocar
Instructor
 
dynocar's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2001
Location: Midwest
Posts: 186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mistaben
so I was talking to the guy's at AEM... about tuning my engine and he said when you pull the chip you can make sure the capacitors/blm's are for sure reset by touching the positive terminal to the negative terminal? yea?
Yes, if you disconnect the negative or positive (preferably negative) terminal from your battery and touch it to the opposite terminal, you will rapidly discharge the ECM's capacitors rather then waiting approx 20 minutes for them to discharge to remove power from the ECM's RAM memory that stores the BLM's learned value, to reset them to their default value, 128.
Old 09-27-2011, 03:37 AM
  #8  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by dynocar
Yes, if you disconnect the negative or positive (preferably negative) terminal from your battery and touch it to the opposite terminal, you will rapidly discharge the ECM's capacitors rather then waiting approx 20 minutes for them to discharge to remove power from the ECM's RAM memory that stores the BLM's learned value, to reset them to their default value, 128.
so car batteries...

walk me through this... it's been a long time since physics class.

if i disconnect the negative terminal which is the push side (current flows from negative to positive) of the current.... I can touch that negative cable to the positive terminal and it will release the stored energy by grounding it out in the positive terminal, right?

which terminal is normally called "the ground"?
Old 09-27-2011, 03:57 AM
  #9  
87 vette 81 big girl
Melting Slicks
 
87 vette 81 big girl's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,765
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mistaben
so car batteries...

walk me through this... it's been a long time since physics class.

if i disconnect the negative terminal which is the push side (current flows from negative to positive) of the current.... I can touch that negative cable to the positive terminal and it will release the stored energy by grounding it out in the positive terminal, right?

which terminal is normally called "the ground"?
The Black color coded battery is negative.
Connected to chassis & the engine block ground.
Usually has a " - " Minus symbol next to it.

Don't get silly & dead short out the battery itself.
Enough current to heat up a Snap On wrench or ratchet to glowing red hot in 2 seconds.
Over 2,000 amps present when you dead short out an automotive group 75 battery like in our C4's.
Large truck batteries hooked in parallel of 3's or 4.........over 10,000 amps of current present when dead shorted.
Electrical Fireworks occur immediate.
Your hand will catch on fire with than metallic tool if not careful.

Brian
Old 09-27-2011, 09:02 AM
  #10  
cumbercr
Melting Slicks
 
cumbercr's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: Santa Maria, CA
Posts: 2,141
Received 66 Likes on 45 Posts

Default

I've heard that if you turn on the headlights after removig the battery ground, that will clear the memory. Not quite as dangerous.
Old 09-27-2011, 07:29 PM
  #11  
leesvet
Safety Car
 
leesvet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,660
Received 20 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

anyone wondering what the poor alt and voltage regulator think about this?


If your alternator could speak, it would tell you

..HELL NO !
Old 09-27-2011, 07:43 PM
  #12  
dynocar
Instructor
 
dynocar's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2001
Location: Midwest
Posts: 186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by cumbercr
I've heard that if you turn on the headlights after removig the battery ground, that will clear the memory. Not quite as dangerous.
Once you have disconnected the battery ground cable, I don't see how touching it to the positive terminal is more dangerous then walking to and from the passenger compartment to turn on the headlight switch. If you are concerned about safely touching the negative cable to the positive cable, you should not drive, it is much more dangerous.
Old 09-27-2011, 07:48 PM
  #13  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by dynocar
Once you have disconnected the battery ground cable, I don't see how touching it to the positive terminal is more dangerous then walking to and from the passenger compartment to turn on the headlight switch. If you are concerned about safely touching the negative cable to the positive cable, you should not drive, it is much more dangerous.
it took me a minute to realize that you were being smart instead of unable to read.
Old 09-28-2011, 03:06 AM
  #14  
Cliff Harris
Race Director
 
Cliff Harris's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2002
Location: Anaheim CA
Posts: 10,036
Likes: 0
Received 341 Likes on 312 Posts

Default

You don't have to go through any of the agonizing processes described above.

GM very cleverly put a connector right next to the positive battery terminal that goes directly to the ECM through a fusible link. Disconnect that connector for a few seconds and your ECM will be reset. No tools are required. This connector is shown in Figure 4 on page 6E-6 of the FSM.

Resetting the ECM will clear all the historic error codes and reset the BLMs to their default value, which is 120.
Old 09-28-2011, 11:30 AM
  #15  
C4GUY
Instructor
 
C4GUY's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2000
Location: Chicago
Posts: 171
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Couldn't you just pull the fuse to the ECM and have a frosty one or two for 20 minutes or so and accomplish the same thing?
Old 09-28-2011, 12:20 PM
  #16  
JackDidley
Race Director
 
JackDidley's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Location: Database Error Indiana
Posts: 16,613
Received 227 Likes on 159 Posts

Default

Why not just drive the car for 15 minutes and let it relearn ?
Old 09-28-2011, 04:31 PM
  #17  
Muffin
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Muffin's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 1999
Location: Merritt Ils Fl
Posts: 14,924
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Cliff Harris
You don't have to go through any of the agonizing processes described above.

GM very cleverly put a connector right next to the positive battery terminal that goes directly to the ECM through a fusible link. Disconnect that connector for a few seconds and your ECM will be reset. No tools are required. This connector is shown in Figure 4 on page 6E-6 of the FSM.

Resetting the ECM will clear all the historic error codes and reset the BLMs to their default value, which is 120.
Thank you Cliff. I got severely flamed two,three years ago after saying I had such a connector. Several guys said it was Trailer Trash wiring not put there by the General.

Get notified of new replies

To reset blm's ~ connect positive terminal to negative terminal?

Old 09-28-2011, 05:19 PM
  #18  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by C4GUY
Couldn't you just pull the fuse to the ECM and have a frosty one or two for 20 minutes or so and accomplish the same thing?
no it doesn't really work, ive tried that...
Old 09-28-2011, 05:27 PM
  #19  
mistaben
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
mistaben's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2003
Location: Mesa Az
Posts: 944
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Cliff Harris
You don't have to go through any of the agonizing processes described above.

GM very cleverly put a connector right next to the positive battery terminal that goes directly to the ECM through a fusible link. Disconnect that connector for a few seconds and your ECM will be reset. No tools are required. This connector is shown in Figure 4 on page 6E-6 of the FSM.

Resetting the ECM will clear all the historic error codes and reset the BLMs to their default value, which is 120.
6E-6?

I see that page it references a positiver battery terminal pigtail, the inline fuse holder that originates at teh positive connection at the battery, or the ECM fuse in the fuse block. it says power must be disconnected for at least 30 seconds to clear the codes.

well the ecm fuse didn't work for me.... neither does pulling that battery cable which it says also works....
Old 10-03-2011, 03:54 AM
  #20  
Cliff Harris
Race Director
 
Cliff Harris's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2002
Location: Anaheim CA
Posts: 10,036
Likes: 0
Received 341 Likes on 312 Posts

Default

That's the connector you need to open to reset the ECM. It clears the history error codes and resets all the BLMs to their default value of 120. You don't need to disconnect it for 30 seconds. It only takes a couple of seconds (I measured it). Just unplug it and then plug it back in.

Part of the problem is that the ECM fuse isn't really an ECM fuse. It's in the ignition circuit between the ignition switch and the ECM. It doesn't reset the error codes.

The handy little ECM connector by the positive battery terminal is in series with a fusible link and goes directly to the ECM. It absolutely amazes me how few people know about this connector, even after all these years. I am on a personal crusade to educate the folks on the forum about it. On my to-do list is to get a pic so I can post it in the future.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: reset blm's ~ connect positive terminal to negative terminal?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:01 AM.