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Old 01-13-2018, 12:52 PM   #61
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I think TT's are weinermobiles. I hate 'em. 2.0T engine, entire engine hanging out in front of the front axle, Any maintenance/repair the front of the car comes off. Dumb. Plus they're just....weenie, IMO. They probably would meet your criteria though, I hate to admit. It would probably be "fun and sporty" to drive in the snow. I don't like 'em and I don't view them a "mini Porsches". Sorry.

For 5k though...get one and see for yourself. If you don't like it, sell the thing.


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I don't feel to bad about it. The facts arnt really in dispute. I would have been fine had someone suggested the benefits outweigh the hassle, but I couldn't even get agreement on that. Instead I'm getting blocked lol.
Yep, that was a strong reaction, for sure.
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would love a countach though id think it would only come out in nocer weather. there are really no awd porsches that i could acquire low enough to put through winter rock chips and salt and not feel bad about it. the audi TT WAS THE ONE I WAS THINKING ABOUT. Dogs, where i live they were SUPER pooular because of the awd feature but they have fallen off the popularity list up here and u hardly see them anymore. i can pick one up for 5k cad which leaves me with budget for newer rims and a too tier set of winters. even studded. I KNOW THESE were called "hairdressers cars" but.....honest opinion...what do u think about these "mini me porsches" when they have had a few mods such as this:....i cant a pic uploadef from my iphonr. ill brb and upload it.
Early 90's 911 C4 would be great but here they have been getting more and more expensive every year. Years ago one could have bought one for half of what they sell now. I kick myself every now and then for the fact how cheap I sold my 911 factory turbolook ex race car years ago. It could have been a real investment in retrospect. Well sometimes you lose and sometimes you win.

Early Cayennes are dirt cheap here, they are pretty much selling for the same sum as mediocre C4's are. Of course maintenance cost can be lot higher, not because its AWD but because its a Porsche.

I myself are considering A8/S8, S4 and Cayenne (turbo) for my next winter user. Not new ones but maybe 2000-2010 models as I prefer to let somebody else take the hit on early depreciation (which can be at my location $1000/month on first few years). I have several cars and mostly work on them myself so I am not afraid about expensive repairs. I can always drive something else while I hunt for the parts and make the repairs. If you need to get your luxury car repaired by tomorrow to get to work then it can be super expensive and maybe something cheaper is smarter choise.
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I think TT's are weinermobiles. I hate 'em. 2.0T engine, entire engine hanging out in front of the front axle, Any maintenance/repair the front of the car comes off. Dumb. Plus they're just....weenie, IMO. They probably would meet your criteria though, I hate to admit. It would probably be "fun and sporty" to drive in the snow. I don't like 'em and I don't view them a "mini Porsches". Sorry.

For 5k though...get one and see for yourself. If you don't like it, sell the thing.


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Yeah. Dont apologize hahahaha. You are right. I think my wife would look freat in one but when i daily drive a c4 its hhaarrdd to get into something a bit more feline looking. The Stealth is looking like the best option so far in a car format. id love the porsche but as to i has said they are crazy expensive and to buy one and then hammer it with gravel and salt would be dumb. i need a solution for the rear wing on the stealth. something not too ricy but less sunfire looki g than what came from factory. ive never owned a dodge and it would be fun.

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Early 90's 911 C4 would be great but here they have been getting more and more expensive every year. Years ago one could have bought one for half of what they sell now. I kick myself every now and then for the fact how cheap I sold my 911 factory turbolook ex race car years ago. It could have been a real investment in retrospect. Well sometimes you lose and sometimes you win.

Early Cayennes are dirt cheap here, they are pretty much selling for the same sum as mediocre C4's are. Of course maintenance cost can be lot higher, not because its AWD but because its a Porsche.

I myself are considering A8/S8, S4 and Cayenne (turbo) for my next winter user. Not new ones but maybe 2000-2010 models as I prefer to let somebody else take the hit on early depreciation (which can be at my location $1000/month on first few years). I have several cars and mostly work on them myself so I am not afraid about expensive repairs. I can always drive something else while I hunt for the parts and make the repairs. If you need to get your luxury car repaired by tomorrow to get to work then it can be super expensive and maybe something cheaper is smarter choise.
I find SIMILAR feeling for the early cayenne's as towards the TT. I do like them but feel they a bit feline/feminine. BUT with a different set of headlights and a better set of rims, similar to the TT, they can look like more of a guys car. The Sport version of the Cauenne is a rocket and so whatever i personally happen to feel about thier looks, performance couldnt be better. you get a full on race car in an SUV format wich for climates like yours and mine, would be awesome!
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The Stealth is looking like the best option so far in a car format.
Couple more/better pics of the thing in action. Here it was w/my C6 in the pits at the drag track. For the forum veterans, the white C4 beyond my C6 is the '84 belonging to "CFI-EFI" aka, Jim Poyser. RIP, my friend...

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....Yeah, the Stealth was a pretty rad car. We miss it.


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get a 4wd vehicle or a Fwd vehicle if you want traction in the snow.

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Old 01-14-2018, 03:28 AM   #67
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This is my other vehicle and you can hillclimb in the summer.


It is a riot to drive, the AWD wheel is auto or manual, but you will need the 500 dollar tester from the country near Turkey!

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Couple more/better pics of the thing in action. Here it was w/my C6 in the pits at the drag track. For the forum veterans, the white C4 beyond my C6 is the '84 belonging to "CFI-EFI" aka, Jim Poyser. RIP, my friend...

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And here it is w/my wife tearing it up a Miller Motorsports Park.

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....Yeah, the Stealth was a pretty rad car. We miss it.


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How is the handling on the AWD Stealth/3000GT. I had a base FWD model Stealth before. The car was fun and comfortable to drive, got decent gas mileage (around 25 mpg), but had a push in the corners like nothing I've ever driven before.

For example, there is this pretty sharp banked corner here where I live. In a 280Z , I was able to take this turn at 65 mph and stay in the inside lane. In the Stealth (equal road and weather conditions), at 55 mph, the car pushed completely across the road so that my tires to the outside of the turn were on the edge of the road. 57 mph and I would have pushed though the corner, off the road.
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Couple more/better pics of the thing in action. Here it was w/my C6 in the pits at the drag track. For the forum veterans, the white C4 beyond my C6 is the '84 belonging to "CFI-EFI" aka, Jim Poyser. RIP, my friend...
RACE ON!!!
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i cant handle this cold is beating down my fun driving. im not driving my vette in the winter. where i live i get winter for 5 months a year.

help me find something to buy. Here are the rules:

A). it has to be classic and at least a little bit older. It's just who I am, I like buying classic cars that you don't see every day. I'm a child of the 90s having graduated in 1994 so if you can find something from that era even better.

B) it has to be all wheel drive. Here in lies the reason why I'm even bothering to post this. There aren't very many to choose from. Especially ones that look half decent. Maybe I'm missing one and I'm hoping my C4 brothers can help.

C) it would be nice if it was relatively easy for me to wrench on. I enjoy it and it gives me therapy. Not like I'm nuts and need therapy but I mean like for the same reason my wife goes for yoga I like to wrench my car therapy.

D) there is no D. i need a car that i can tinker and improve thats awd and looks good with a nice set of rims and some blizzaks on it.

I considered an awd porsche both the 911 style and the cayanne suv. im told the cayanne drives like a race car.

Anyway, im posting this here because you guys know the itch that I need to scratch. I'm dying to go for a drive in my vette but I can't. I need something else that I can drive. Help a brother out and brainstorm with me.
Skip the "classic" bit-you don't want the headaches; my c6 sleeps for 4 months, and my daily driver is 2016 Taurus SHO; rocket (365 hp stock);
Cheap and easy to get to spectacular power and low 4 sec. 0-60.
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My sister has a 2011 3 series X-Drive in NJ and it has never had a problem. Go with the 335 and add a JB4 tune to it and have high 3sec 0-60 for around $500.
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get a 4wd vehicle or a Fwd vehicle if you want traction in the snow.
Say....WHAT!?

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How is the handling on the AWD Stealth/3000GT. I had a base FWD model Stealth before. The car was fun and comfortable to drive, got decent gas mileage (around 25 mpg), but had a push in the corners like nothing I've ever driven before.

For example, there is this pretty sharp banked corner here where I live. In a 280Z , I was able to take this turn at 65 mph and stay in the inside lane. In the Stealth (equal road and weather conditions), at 55 mph, the car pushed completely across the road so that my tires to the outside of the turn were on the edge of the road. 57 mph and I would have pushed though the corner, off the road.
Yep, I hear you. I'd bet tires had a lot to do with that, but most FWD cars are going to push worse than RWD. In fact, most CARS are engineered to push for safety reasons. FWD cars are worse though, b/c the front tires are trying to do too many things at one time, and there is a heavy front engine, hanging out over the front wheels.

The AWD Stealth handled good. Over all, it was neutral; some corners or with sloppy driving it would push some. Not bad and a momentary chop of the throttle would fix it. In some corners the tail would come out slightly. Very easy to control. Easier than the C4. It "felt" more invincible on the track than the C4 feels...but I'd bet the lap times were slower. IDK...never timed them.

In the snow, is was all tail during big throttle slides. Still, super easy to control; just point the front end where you want to go and hold the throttle down.




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Does the Mitsubishi 3000GT also come in AWD or is that the one with active steering... or both? That active steering is pretty cool actually.
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Both the Turbo versions of the car (the Stealth RT/Twin Turbo and the 3000 GT VR4), come only with...everything;
DOHC 4 valve, TT, Twin intercooler, 300 hp/307tq engine w/a 7000 RPM readline.
All wheel drive
All wheel steering
Active exhaust (think C6 NPP)
ABS
Active Aero (VR4 only)
Manual trans only (5 speed early, 6 speed later)
Electronically Controlled Suspension (similar to 'Vette FX3 in function)
4 wheel disk brakes, (4 piston calipers in front, single floaters, rear)
Radio controls on the steering wheel
Climate Control with a color pictogram LCD
AM.FM Cassette deck with CD player, EQ AND...and "AUX" input...in 1991!
...and more. It was LOADED with technology for the time. It was what I call, the Nissan GTR of the early '90's
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Dogs im going to check this out!
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You also own the other suv that im looking at, the Cayenne. Do you do your own tinkering on it?
I've done most everything since my long time friend associate purchased it 6 years ago. It is a Cayenne-S, so not a Turbo. You'll need a modern scanner, or a friend that has one you can use. No way to live with one of these vehicles without one. But it is a very satisfying car to drive. No rattles, squeaks, or quirks. It's big and heavy (5,000 lbs), and takes some getting used to to drive spiritedly, but like any vehicle, once you get familiar with it, you'll have a blast as confidence builds.

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Both the Turbo versions of the car (the Stealth RT/Twin Turbo and the 3000 GT VR4), come only with...everything;
DOHC 4 valve, TT, Twin intercooler, 300 hp/307tq engine w/a 7000 RPM readline.
All wheel drive
All wheel steering
Active exhaust (think C6 NPP)
ABS
Active Aero (VR4 only)
Manual trans only (5 speed early, 6 speed later)
Electronically Controlled Suspension (similar to 'Vette FX3 in function)
4 wheel disk brakes, (4 piston calipers in front, single floaters, rear)
Radio controls on the steering wheel
Climate Control with a color pictogram LCD
AM.FM Cassette deck with CD player, EQ AND...and "AUX" input...in 1991!
...and more. It was LOADED with technology for the time. It was what I call, the Nissan GTR of the early '90's
As the car aged some of the goodies went away. ECS, AWS, and the active exhaust. If I remember a lot of it started with the body refresh.

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^That is true. I prefer the early cars the most. I like the looks, the neat feature (for the time), etc.
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Both the Turbo versions of the car (the Stealth RT/Twin Turbo and the 3000 GT VR4), come only with...everything;
DOHC 4 valve, TT, Twin intercooler, 300 hp/307tq engine w/a 7000 RPM readline.
All wheel drive
All wheel steering
Active exhaust (think C6 NPP)
ABS
Active Aero (VR4 only)
Manual trans only (5 speed early, 6 speed later)
Electronically Controlled Suspension (similar to 'Vette FX3 in function)
4 wheel disk brakes, (4 piston calipers in front, single floaters, rear)
Radio controls on the steering wheel
Climate Control with a color pictogram LCD
AM.FM Cassette deck with CD player, EQ AND...and "AUX" input...in 1991!
...and more. It was LOADED with technology for the time. It was what I call, the Nissan GTR of the early '90's
The price of these cars in my area is pretty steep.
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Really? We paid $4.5k for our one owner 80k mile one...but that was over 10 years ago. Maybe they've gone up in value? It's probably getting hard to find a clean stock one. IDK...
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30 seconds of looking in my area and....BOOM.

$4500. Twin Turbos and AWD.
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