C4 Tech/Performance L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine

Vibration after gear change

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-11-2018, 01:40 PM
  #1  
Scooby92
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Scooby92's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2017
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default Vibration after gear change

I had a Dana 44 rebuilt with 3:54 gears and installed in my 1992 automatic. Replacing the 2:59 Dana 36. It now has a pulsing vibration at 70 mph and gets worse the faster I go. I’m at a loss to what is causing it and the guy who built it and put it in doesn’t know either. Any ideas what it could be?
Old 02-11-2018, 02:10 PM
  #2  
alexm1994
Intermediate
 
alexm1994's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Location: Coral Springs Florida
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Scooby92
I had a Dana 44 rebuilt with 3:54 gears and installed in my 1992 automatic. Replacing the 2:59 Dana 36. It now has a pulsing vibration at 70 mph and gets worse the faster I go. I’m at a loss to what is causing it and the guy who built it and put it in doesn’t know either. Any ideas what it could be?
I would make sure the driveshaft u-joints were new or in excellent condition in addition to the driveshaft being straight and balanced for higher speeds. Your change to a higher gear ratio results in higher driveshaft speeds especially on the highway where any imbalance will be felt.
Old 02-11-2018, 03:42 PM
  #3  
856SPEED
Melting Slicks
 
856SPEED's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,616
Received 111 Likes on 99 Posts

Default

Setting up gears is a job for someone who really understands differentials....there are shims/proper backlash, etc. etc. Hopefully it was installed correctly.

Although what was mentioned above may the culprit as well. I would assume you also changed the batwings and half shafts as well. Those could be a problem (u-joints) and what was mentioned; the driveshaft as well.
Old 02-11-2018, 03:53 PM
  #4  
WVZR-1
Team Owner

 
WVZR-1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,075
Received 2,259 Likes on 2,022 Posts

Default

You most likely needed to change the slip-yoke from your A4 to a D44 shorter drive-shaft OR you used a D44 drive-shaft from an early 4+. If you transferred your A4 slip-yoke to a shorter D44 shaft you need to check the dampner on the A4 slip-yoke and it should have been balanced before use. Make sure the u-joints are seated correctly into the pinion flange, at the short-axles and at the spindle flanges.

Regardless the combination used the drive-shaft should have been balanced and assembled with new u-joints.
Old 02-11-2018, 04:47 PM
  #5  
Scooby92
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Scooby92's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2017
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

It has new ujoints and the slip yoke is the one from my automatic. The ds is the shorter one from a manual transmission. I bought it online and didn’t have it balanced. There were no dents or other signs of damage so I figured it was ok. The guy who built the differential does it for a living. All standard transmissions, transfer cases and front and rear 4x4 differentials. Lots of mustang and Camaros too. I don’t believe it is the work he did. He just doesn’t do any kind of driveshaft work. Or driveline balancing. There is a specialty shop 2 hours away that custom fabricates all kinds of drivelines but who knows what that would cost $$$?
Old 02-11-2018, 05:54 PM
  #6  
Mr. Peabody
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Mr. Peabody's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: Everett WA
Posts: 7,690
Received 477 Likes on 353 Posts
C4 of Year Finalist (appearance mods) 2019

Default

What WVZR-1 has described is exactly what I had done to my 95 A4 when I replaced my Dana 36 for a 44. You should get the drive shaft re-balanced. If the place is several hours away give them a call and ask what they charge.
Old 02-11-2018, 06:24 PM
  #7  
GREGGPENN
Race Director
 
GREGGPENN's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2003
Location: Overland Park Kansas
Posts: 12,012
Received 394 Likes on 323 Posts
2020 Corvette of the Year Finalist (appearance mods)
C4 of Year Winner (appearance mods) 2019

Default

Originally Posted by WVZR-1
Regardless the combination used the drive-shaft should have been balanced and assembled with new u-joints.
Does this mean anyone swapping u-joints needs to balance their DS? I've had a mystery shimey...that comes/goes above 65-70mph for years. I replaced one of the two u-joints in 2010 but never considered the need for balance.

I have, however, wondered if I installed the DS using the correct orientation. (I've tried reversing it a couple of times). By now (29yrs), I probably should replace the other u-joint (OK...BOTH THIS TIME)...and see what happens.

If balanced, will mounting orientation matter?
Old 02-11-2018, 07:16 PM
  #8  
alexm1994
Intermediate
 
alexm1994's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2012
Location: Coral Springs Florida
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Does this mean anyone swapping u-joints needs to balance their DS? I've had a mystery shimey...that comes/goes above 65-70mph for years. I replaced one of the two u-joints in 2010 but never considered the need for balance.

I have, however, wondered if I installed the DS using the correct orientation. (I've tried reversing it a couple of times). By now (29yrs), I probably should replace the other u-joint (OK...BOTH THIS TIME)...and see what happens.

If balanced, will mounting orientation matter?
No it does not mean you have to rebalance your driveshaft after replacing u-joints, you are probably using the same parts from your car. But in my opinion if you are to perform a D36 to a D44 swap using a used driveshaft purchased on-line it would be a good idea to have it balanced and checked for straightness. It has been a while but the times I've had a driveshaft balanced it has costed less than $100.00 each time. Remember I did say that there will be higher driveshaft speeds with higher numerical gear ratios which will exacerbate any imbalance in the shaft. This is a possible problem with the OP vehicle. Hopefully there is no problem with the rebuilt differential.
Old 02-11-2018, 07:27 PM
  #9  
WVZR-1
Team Owner

 
WVZR-1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,075
Received 2,259 Likes on 2,022 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Scooby92
It has new ujoints and the slip yoke is the one from my automatic. The ds is the shorter one from a manual transmission. I bought it online and didn’t have it balanced. There were no dents or other signs of damage so I figured it was ok. The guy who built the differential does it for a living. All standard transmissions, transfer cases and front and rear 4x4 differentials. Lots of mustang and Camaros too. I don’t believe it is the work he did. He just doesn’t do any kind of driveshaft work. Or driveline balancing. There is a specialty shop 2 hours away that custom fabricates all kinds of drivelines but who knows what that would cost $$$?
Swapping the parts that you swapped you can't bypass the 'balance operation' - If you used the slip-yoke from the A4 and it still had the dampner on it I'd suggest you buy new slip-yoke without the dampner and reassemble with a balance. I can't imagine someone experience doing the change and NOT telling you that it needed a balance. Now if you handed him parts and said 'do this' then it's on you!!

Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Does this mean anyone swapping u-joints needs to balance their DS? I've had a mystery shimey...that comes/goes above 65-70mph for years. I replaced one of the two u-joints in 2010 but never considered the need for balance.
I know two fellows that if they do 2 u-joints in a performance drive-shaft application won't do it (with a guarantee) unless it's balanced.

Last edited by WVZR-1; 02-11-2018 at 07:31 PM.
Old 02-11-2018, 07:43 PM
  #10  
Scooby92
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Scooby92's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2017
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Thanks for all the replies. I am going to call the place next week and see how much it will be to do a ds balance as suggested. Hopefully I can get this fixed soon.
Old 02-14-2018, 07:57 AM
  #11  
MatthewMiller
Le Mans Master
 
MatthewMiller's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2015
Location: St. Charles MO
Posts: 5,694
Received 1,705 Likes on 1,291 Posts
Default

First things first: get under there and make sure every bolt for the diff and batwing is tight, as well as trailing arms. Also, make sure the joints in the halfshafts are good.

Does it only do this in 6th gear? Does it only do this under power, or also when coasting? If it does it when coasting, does it do it when it's also out of gear (or the clutch pedal is pushed in)? If the issue is a balance problem, then the vibration should happen at the same road speeds regardless of what gear you're in or whether you're on the throttle or not. If it only does it when you're on the throttle, I'd be inclined to suspect one of the six u-joints.
Old 02-14-2018, 01:27 PM
  #12  
pologreen1
Team Owner
 
pologreen1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2007
Posts: 20,974
Received 260 Likes on 239 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Scooby92
It has new ujoints and the slip yoke is the one from my automatic. The ds is the shorter one from a manual transmission. I bought it online and didn’t have it balanced. There were no dents or other signs of damage so I figured it was ok. The guy who built the differential does it for a living. All standard transmissions, transfer cases and front and rear 4x4 differentials. Lots of mustang and Camaros too. I don’t believe it is the work he did. He just doesn’t do any kind of driveshaft work. Or driveline balancing. There is a specialty shop 2 hours away that custom fabricates all kinds of drivelines but who knows what that would cost $$$?
Just for a point of reference... before I had D44 parts swapped in I bought thick gear 3.73 sets and the installation at corvette specialty shop was "above their limits these days"

The Rear was too old, and too complicated according to them.

I am not positive anymore, but I thought there were some slight differences in the cases from an old standard 9", or 10 Bolt, etc,.

A shop by me charges $300 to change gears on a mustang, and $1200 for the c4.

bought D44 and never looked back.

hopefully there is no difference in installs and if there are hopefully there is no damage being done.

Did your mechanic suggest a "break in"?

Last edited by pologreen1; 02-14-2018 at 01:27 PM.

Get notified of new replies

To Vibration after gear change




Quick Reply: Vibration after gear change



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:38 PM.