Electric Water Pump and timing chain
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Electric Water Pump and timing chain
I am going to get everything together for a conversion. I have several questions. I have 96 LT1
1. Since I am going to an electric water pump, do I need to plug the hole in the timing chain cover where the shaft comes out?
2.Which timing chain set should I use? I do not plan on going back to the regular pump.
3. would I be better off going with a new timing chain cover that doesn't have the hole?
4. Do I need to pull the oil pan to change the timing chain cover?
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Ron
1. Since I am going to an electric water pump, do I need to plug the hole in the timing chain cover where the shaft comes out?
2.Which timing chain set should I use? I do not plan on going back to the regular pump.
3. would I be better off going with a new timing chain cover that doesn't have the hole?
4. Do I need to pull the oil pan to change the timing chain cover?
Thanks
Ron
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Re: Electric Water Pump and timing chain (his touch)
1. Yes you do or it will leak. Some JB weld and a $.50 piece goes a long way.
2. Since you have a '96 with ODBII, then your best option is the GM Heavy Duty timing set. The Cloyes double roller will not work without some modifications.
3. No.
4. Yes, or at least it is best to drop the front of the pan. You can pull it without dropping the pan, but if the gasket is old, it will more than likely tear. Without modifying the timing cover, you will have to drop the front of the pan anyway to reinstall it.
2. Since you have a '96 with ODBII, then your best option is the GM Heavy Duty timing set. The Cloyes double roller will not work without some modifications.
3. No.
4. Yes, or at least it is best to drop the front of the pan. You can pull it without dropping the pan, but if the gasket is old, it will more than likely tear. Without modifying the timing cover, you will have to drop the front of the pan anyway to reinstall it.
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Re: Electric Water Pump and timing chain (his touch)
I'm headed down this same path. Here's what I've found to date...
"1. Since I am going to an electric water pump, do I need to plug the hole in the timing chain cover where the shaft comes out?"
Yes. Otherwise, it will eventually begin leaking oil. Small leak at first and then it gets worse.
"2.Which timing chain set should I use? I do not plan on going back to the regular pump."
With no other mods I'd stick with the stock chain. The LT4 chain is an upgrade. The LT4 Extreme Duty chain is a further upgrade. Both are $$ Before the masses jump in and suggest a double roller, note that the '96s require a modification to use an aftermarket chain.
"3. would I be better off going with a new timing chain cover that doesn't have the hole?"
They don't sell '96 covers without the hole ('96 is unique because of the Crankshaft Position Sensor). I bought a new cover and had a local machine shop plug it. Cost to plug it ... $5 :) You could remove your old cover and have it plugged if you want to save the cost of a new one (~$40)
"4. Do I need to pull the oil pan to change the timing chain cover?"
That's the safest way. Some have been able to work the cover off without dropping or loosening the pan. Why risk messing up the cover or oil pan gasket though?
:cheers:
Jim Mason
'96 Grand Sport #007
"1. Since I am going to an electric water pump, do I need to plug the hole in the timing chain cover where the shaft comes out?"
Yes. Otherwise, it will eventually begin leaking oil. Small leak at first and then it gets worse.
"2.Which timing chain set should I use? I do not plan on going back to the regular pump."
With no other mods I'd stick with the stock chain. The LT4 chain is an upgrade. The LT4 Extreme Duty chain is a further upgrade. Both are $$ Before the masses jump in and suggest a double roller, note that the '96s require a modification to use an aftermarket chain.
"3. would I be better off going with a new timing chain cover that doesn't have the hole?"
They don't sell '96 covers without the hole ('96 is unique because of the Crankshaft Position Sensor). I bought a new cover and had a local machine shop plug it. Cost to plug it ... $5 :) You could remove your old cover and have it plugged if you want to save the cost of a new one (~$40)
"4. Do I need to pull the oil pan to change the timing chain cover?"
That's the safest way. Some have been able to work the cover off without dropping or loosening the pan. Why risk messing up the cover or oil pan gasket though?
:cheers:
Jim Mason
'96 Grand Sport #007
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Re: Electric Water Pump and timing chain (96GS#007)
Is there a seal in the cover where the shaft goes through an should it be removed prior to JB Welding the 50 cent piece in place?
Can I remove the oil pan with out removing anything else under the motor, like motor mounts, ect?
I have 113,000 miles so I think it tis about time to change the timing gears and chain. Any other hints that will help with this project?
Thanks
Ron
Can I remove the oil pan with out removing anything else under the motor, like motor mounts, ect?
I have 113,000 miles so I think it tis about time to change the timing gears and chain. Any other hints that will help with this project?
Thanks
Ron
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Re: Electric Water Pump and timing chain (his touch)
i installed a mezziere, and left the waterpump drive. I had it liek this for a few months. No leaking... maybe i cant see it. But after i was told to plug it, i believe that is the best route to take, and i will do it when i put it back on. My car ran COLD with the pump and it does give some free-er revving above 5000 rpm, you can feel it.
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Re: Electric Water Pump and timing chain (his touch)
Is there a seal in the cover where the shaft goes through an should it be removed prior to JB Welding the 50 cent piece in place?
Can I remove the oil pan with out removing anything else under the motor, like motor mounts, ect?
If you have a modified motor or billet main caps, you will have to lift the motor up by removing at least one motor mount or the pan will not clear the main caps on removal.
Chris